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    This was a trade being kicked around on the radio last night...it's just a thought and nothing more…

    Think about it...it would make sense for both sides...

    *Mavs get Shaq for nothing but a couch player, but it'd cost them about $40M after luxury tax.

    *Heat can start to rebuild around Wade while he's in his prime with the cap room they'd have for next season (could sign somebody that opts out like Marion, Brand, etc) and still have money for other players.

    Thoughts?

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    and the mavs are officially in desperation mode. i approve.

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    This was a trade being kicked around on the radio last night...it's just a thought and nothing more…

    Think about it...it would make sense for both sides...

    *Mavs get Shaq for nothing but a couch player, but it'd cost them about $40M after luxury tax.

    *Heat can start to rebuild around Wade while he's in his prime with the cap room they'd have for next season (could sign somebody that opts out like Marion, Brand, etc) and still have money for other players.

    Thoughts?
    Well... Shaq provides some vestige of a low post threat, but I don't see how he really solves any of the Mavericks' problems. Their problems are that their defense isn't good enough so far, and that Dirk Nowitzki is playing scared. Shaq solves neither problem.

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    Well... Shaq provides some vestige of a low post threat, but I don't see how he really solves any of the Mavericks' problems. Their problems are that their defense isn't good enough so far, and that Dirk Nowitzki is playing scared. Shaq solves neither problem.
    You're right...why would they want to add Shaq without giving up any players on their roster??

    Dirk is playing scared sounds like your opinion to me...and Shaq would provide another leader (if not THE leader) that the Mavs need...so maybe he does help solve your opinion of the problem...

    I'd rather have Shaq in there when the Mavs play the Spurs than Dampier or Diop. Who'd cover Shaq? Tim or Oberto? Then who covers Dirk?

    Mavs + Shaq > Current Mavs

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    You're right...why would they want to add Shaq without giving up any players on their roster??

    Dirk is playing scared sounds like your opinion to me...and Shaq would provide another leader (if not THE leader) that the Mavs need...so maybe he does help solve your opinion of the problem...

    I'd rather have Shaq in there when the Mavs play the Spurs than Dampier or Diop. Who'd cover Shaq? Tim or Oberto? Then who covers Dirk?

    Mavs + Shaq > Current Mavs
    I think you're falling in love with the memory of what Shaq was, rather than the reality of what Shaq is.

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    Except Dallas doesn't have KVH or his contract on their payroll anymore.

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    Shaq is only good for an 8-21 record today. In the East.

    That said, getting him for KVH wouldn't be a bad situation, but I think even Cuban would balk at the pay versus performance Shaquille is providing today.

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    I think you're falling in love with the memory of what Shaq was, rather than the reality of what Shaq is.
    No, I'm not. I know what he is and what risks are there.

    28 mpg, 14 ppg, 8 rpg, 1.7 blk

    That's what he is...

    Except Dallas doesn't have KVH or his contract on their payroll anymore.
    wrong

    Shaq is only good for an 8-21 record today. In the East.

    That said, getting him for KVH wouldn't be a bad situation, but I think even Cuban would balk at the pay versus performance Shaquille is providing today.
    I don't see the Heat's record having anything to do with the prospect of adding him to the Mavs...or a reason not to...

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    I'd rather have Shaq in there when the Mavs play the Spurs than Dampier or Diop. Who'd cover Shaq? Tim or Oberto? Then who covers Dirk?
    Since neither Duncan nor Oberto are expected to cover Dirk for any significant amounts of time, this is not a problem

    Mavs + Shaq > Current Mavs
    If you say so. They'd have to completely disrupt their current makeup in order to feed Shaq's still rampant ego. Personally, I think this might be the only move they could make that would be worse than signing Chris Webber.

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    You're right...why would they want to add Shaq without giving up any players on their roster??

    Dirk is playing scared sounds like your opinion to me...and Shaq would provide another leader (if not THE leader) that the Mavs need...so maybe he does help solve your opinion of the problem...

    I'd rather have Shaq in there when the Mavs play the Spurs than Dampier or Diop. Who'd cover Shaq? Tim or Oberto? Then who covers Dirk?

    Mavs + Shaq > Current Mavs
    Yes, because the Mavs need a 340 pound guy who can't run the court or even rotate on defense right now.

    If Shaq would be the difference maker for the Mavs, why are the Heat mired in LAST place in their own division right now? He's horrible. He has no mobility. He would choke the Mavs on offense and gut them on defense. He recently nearly set an NBA record for number of consecutive foul-outs. Not the sign of someone playing good defense.

    And don't forget that this would DESTROY the Mavs cap situation for the next 2 years.

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    Shaq is totally shot. His deterioration is visible from one game to the next. So I'd say go for it Mavs.

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    Try again. Keith Van Horn's last NBA contract ended 2005-06. He did not get another one.

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    I checked... JamStone is correct. KVH is a free agent.

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    Try again. Keith Van Horn's last NBA contract ended 2005-06. He did not get another one.
    The only people who know less about the Mavs than mavfans are the mavmedia.

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    Maybe the Heat would agree to a Shaq-for-Roy Tarpley trade?

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    There is still some connection with KVH's contract, at least according to the radio guys that discussed this possibility last night. I'd like to think they know what they're talking about since they do post-game shows....

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    How can the Mavs possibly carry sixteen players?

    They can't.

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    How can the Mavs possibly carry sixteen players?

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    Well, Shaq upheld his part of the bargain and brought a le to South Beach.

    Now he's enjoying South Beach, apparently.

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    Well, Shaq upheld his part of the bargain and brought a le to South Beach.

    Now he's enjoying South Beach, apparently.
    But not the South Beach Diet.

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    So obviously they can trade him too. Alert the Dallas media!

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    I'd like to think they know what they're talking about since they do post-game shows....
    If you're listening to the Ticket postgame show, I wouldn't trust anything Ben & Skin says about the Mavs. They're advertising salesman who sucked enough to get a show on The Ticket. I thought it was pretty obvious from hearing their opinions on anything that they have no clue what they're talking about ever.

    and if you heard it on ESPN radio....well....there ya go...

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    Mavs can do a S&T with KVH.
    KVH for Shaq work cba wise (Mavs jsut need to waive someone before doing the trade). However, I'm not sure the league will agree with that because it doesn't respect the spirit of the CBA.

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    I'm not a CBA expert, but I'm under the impression that you cannot trade a player on a one-year deal. So, first the Mavs would still have to have retained KVH's rights (do they ever expire if a player does not officially retire?) in order to pay him a big enough salary to match Shaq's. And, then I believe it would have to be at least a two year contract, perhaps making the second year an option year. Either way, is Miami that desperate to get rid of Shaq to get his salary off one year earlier? Maybe they are. I'm still not sure the Mavs can even do any of that under the most recent CBA.

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