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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Thanks a lot to the ~37% of texans who voted for this assclown...

    Noteworthy are the ties that bind the Governor to Merck and to Women in Government, the group that Merck paid to lobby for this mind-boggling order. The Associated Press reports that one of Merck's three lobbyists in Texas is Mike Toomey, Perry's former chief of staff. His current chief of staff's mother-in-law, Texas Republican state Rep. Dianne White Delisi, is a state director for Women in Government. The governor also received $6,000 from Merck's political action committee during his re-election campaign.

    Also noteworthy is that under then governor George W. Bush, TMAP, the pharmaceutical manufacturers' cash cow to mega-billion dollar cash transference from the public purse to Big Pharma, was launched. TMAP (Texas mediction algorithm project) is the vehicle that catapulted psychotropic drugs--in particular patent protected antidepressants and antipsychotics--to blockbuster status despite lack of scientific evidence that the drugs work to improve mental health, and despite evidence that these drugs wreak havoc on both the mental and physical health of consumers.
    AHRP Blogspot

    That's right, pretty soon the State and their lobbyist may also decide which kids and adults get psychotropic drugs

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    The Facts On Merck's Gardasil Vaccine

    (used with permission)

    I've been watching all these ads on TV telling women to find out about GARDASIL. And then I read that Merck was lobbying for this vaccine to become mandatory. Then I saw that the Texas governor is making this vaccine mandatory in Texas for preteens. So I finally decided to look into it.

    Here's the scoop:

    1) GARDASIL is a vaccine for 4 strains of the human papillomavirus (HPV), two strains that are strongly associated (and probably cause) genital warts and two strains that are typically associated (and may cause) cervical cancer. About 90% of people with genital warts show exposure to one of the two HPV strains strongly suspected to cause genital warts. About 70% of women with cervical cancer show exposure to one of the other two HPV strains that the vaccine is designed to confer resistance to.

    2) HPV is a sexually communicable (not an infectious) virus. When you consider all strains of HPV, over 70% of sexually active males and females have been exposed. A condom helps a lot (70% less likely to get it), but has not been shown to stop transmission in all cases (only one study of 82 college girls who self-reported about condom use has been done). For the vast majority of women, exposure to HPV strains (even the four "bad ones" protected for in GARDASIL) results in no known health complications of any kind.

    3) Cervical cancer is not a deadly nor prevalent cancer in the US or any other first world nation. Cervical cancer rates have declined sharply over the last 30 years and are still declining. Cervical cancer accounts for less than 1% of of all female cancer cases and deaths in the US. Cervical cancer is typically very treatable and the prognosis for a healthy outcome is good. The typical exceptions to this case are old women, women who are already unhealthy and women who don't get pap smears until after the cancer has existed for many years.

    4) Merck's clinical studies for GARDASIL were problematic in several ways. Only 20,541 women were used (half got the "placebo") and their health was followed up for only four years at maximum and typically 1-3 years only. More critically, only 1,121 of these subjects were less than 16. The younger subjects were only followed up for a maximum of 18 months. Furthermore, less than 10% of these subjects received true placebo injections. The others were given injections containing an aluminum salt adjuvant (vaccine enhancer) that is also a component of GARDASIL. This is scientifically preposterous, especially when you consider that similar alum adjuvants are suspected to be responsible for Gulf War disease and other possible vaccination related complications.

    5) Both the "placebo" groups and the vaccination groups reported a myriad of short term and medium term health problems over the course of their evaluations. The majority of both groups reported minor health complications near the injection site or near the time of the injection. Among the vaccination group, reports of such complications were slightly higher. The small sample that was given a real placebo reported far fewer complications -- as in less than half. Furthermore, most if not all longer term complications were written off as not being potentially vaccine caused for all subjects.

    6) Because the pool of subjects were so small and the rates of cervical cancer are so low, NOT A SINGLE CONTROL SUBJECT ACTUALLY CONTRACTED CERVICAL CANCER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM -- MUCH LESS DIED OF IT. Instead, this vaccine's supposed efficacy is based on the fact that the vaccinated group ended up with far fewer cases (5 vs. about 200) of genital warts and "precancerous lesions" (dysplasias) than the alum injected "control" subjects.

    7) Because the tests included just four years of follow up at most, the long term effects and efficacy of this vaccine are completely unknown for anyone. All but the shortest term effects are completely unknown for little girls. Considering the tiny size of youngster study, the data about the shortest terms side effects for girls are also dubious.

    8) GARDASIL is the most expensive vaccine ever marketed. It requires three vaccinations at $120 a pop for a total price tag of $360. It is expected to be Merck's biggest cash cow of this and the next decade.

    These are simply the facts of the situation as presented by Merck and the FDA. This vaccine was just approved in June, 2006. It was never tested on pre-teens except in a tiny trial run with at most 18 months of follow up. Even if we subscribe to the theory that HPV causes cervical cancer, there is ZERO hard data showing that this vaccine reduces cervical cancer rates or cervical cancer mortality rates, which are both already very low in the US and getting lower every year. Now Texas has already made this vaccine mandatory for middle school with all sorts of useful idiots and Big Pharma operatives clamoring for more states to make this vaccine COMPULSORY immediately.
    Has everyone gotten the picture or should I continue?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    More from the NY Times...

    Let’s think carefully before requiring young girls to get this vaccine, which protects against a sexually transmitted virus, in order to go to school. This isn’t polio or measles, diseases that are easily transmitted through casual contact. Infection with this virus requires intimate contact, of the kind that doesn’t occur in classrooms. Besides, we already know how to prevent cervical cancer in this country, and we’ve done a darn good job of it. In the war against cancer, the battle against cervical cancer has been a success story. Why, then, did federal health officials recommend the inoculation of about 30 million American girls and young women against the human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease that in rare cases leads to cervical cancer?

    Vaccine supporters say that some 3,700 American women die of cervical cancer each year, and close to 10,000 cases are diagnosed. Cervical cancer has a relatively high survival rate, but every death is tragic and treatment can rob women of their fertility. Still, you have to see the numbers in context. Cervical cancer deaths have been dropping consistently in the United States — and have been for decades. Cervical cancer has gone from being one of the top killers of American women to not even being on the top 10 list. This year cervical cancer will represent just 1 percent of the 679,510 new cancer cases and 1 percent of the 273,560 anticipated cancer deaths among American women. ...

    An American Cancer Society spokeswoman said that most American women who get cervical cancer these days are women who either had never had a Pap smear or had not followed the follow-up and frequency guidelines. So perhaps we could redirect the public money that would be spent on this vaccine — one of the most expensive ever, priced at $360 for the series of three shots — to make sure all women in the United States get preventive health care. ...

    But vaccines carry risks. In recent years, children have been bombarded with new immunizations, and we still don’t know the full long-term implications. One vaccine, RotaShield, was removed from the market in 1999, just a year after being approved for infants. Merck has tested the cervical cancer vaccine in clinical trials of more than 20,000 women (about half of them got the shot). The health of the subjects was followed for about three and a half years on average. But fewer than 1,200 girls under 16 got the shots, among them only about 100 9-year-olds, Merck officials said, and the younger girls have been followed for only 18 months.
    Folks, it's time for a recall election....

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    Perry is a -like hair-bot.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Hoooray Cancer!

    NBA Dan makes the lives of thousands upon thousands of women appear quite meaningless. After all, the cancer is dwindiling, who cares if we can save lives now.

    Repeat after me: Rick Perry bad, Cervical Cancer good!

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    The great thing about this debate is that peoples opinions vary by how you present the situation. If you tell them that Perry signed the bill, many liberal leaning people I've come across immediately take a stance against it and try to find information to support that. If you tell that same type of person that many religious groups are against the vaccine, they'll start to tell you why this vaccine is needed.

    Oh, I love the way opinions our formed in our current political climate. Wooo!

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    And you are just figuring that out!?

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    I am surprised and pleased that Perry made this decision. The paper today suggested that his wife lobbied for it.

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    In this case, the end justifies the means.

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    The great thing about this debate is that peoples opinions vary by how you present the situation. If you tell them that Perry signed the bill, many liberal leaning people I've come across immediately take a stance against it and try to find information to support that. If you tell that same type of person that many religious groups are against the vaccine, they'll start to tell you why this vaccine is needed.

    Oh, I love the way opinions our formed in our current political climate. Wooo!
    Manny, only problem is that the vaccine is expensive and
    most health insurance policies don't cover it. It is a
    series of three shots and cost over a hundred dollars a
    shot. Maybe the gov should have asked the company
    to lower the cost so people could afford it.

    I am for giving it to young girls, but it should be left up
    to the parents not government. Cervical Cancer is not
    a threat to ALL children and cant be caught like mumps,
    smallpox or other illness that is transmitted by simple
    contact. It is not a public health issue. It is a personal
    issue.

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    Manny, only problem is that the vaccine is expensive and
    most health insurance policies don't cover it. It is a
    series of three shots and cost over a hundred dollars a
    shot. Maybe the gov should have asked the company
    to lower the cost so people could afford it.

    I am for giving it to young girls, but it should be left up
    to the parents not government. Cervical Cancer is not
    a threat to ALL children and cant be caught like mumps,
    smallpox or other illness that is transmitted by simple
    contact. It is not a public health issue. It is a personal
    issue.
    Yes but by making it a requirement insurances will have s out the dough, and the gov. will foot the bill for the low income so Merck still gets their money.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Hoooray Cancer!

    NBA Dan makes the lives of thousands upon thousands of women appear quite meaningless. After all, the cancer is dwindiling, who cares if we can save lives now.

    Repeat after me: Rick Perry bad, Cervical Cancer good!


    No, Hooray for the 100's, maybe 1000's of kids who will die or suffer mental or physical illnesses as a result of innoculating young girls with a drug that was rushed to market, for a disease that has been on the decline and will probably be cured in the next 10 years.

    ...and Hooray for the billions of dollars this is needlessly going to cost Texas taxpayers.

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    Hoooray Cancer!

    NBA Dan makes the lives of thousands upon thousands of women appear quite meaningless. After all, the cancer is dwindiling, who cares if we can save lives now.

    Repeat after me: Rick Perry bad, Cervical Cancer good!
    manny honestly you think thats a good arguement? thats what youre coming with now. what a post

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    we could spend a fraction of the money on free pelvic exams and cure Cervical cancer.

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    That sig is ing ridiculous!

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    NBA = RIGGED thispego's Avatar
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    The great thing about this debate is that peoples opinions vary by how you present the situation. If you tell them that Perry signed the bill, many liberal leaning people I've come across immediately take a stance against it and try to find information to support that. If you tell that same type of person that many religious groups are against the vaccine, they'll start to tell you why this vaccine is needed.

    Oh, I love the way opinions our formed in our current political climate. Wooo!
    What? but each situation has its own unique cir stances.

    only the argumentative types like boutons would do that

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    American Academy of Pediatrics urges "go slow" on new HPV vaccine.

    Merck, which has been arming its lobbyists across the country with information on the vaccine, has been getting an assist from Women in Government, a nonpartisan organization of female legislators whose agenda includes cervical cancer prevention. The group, like breast-cancer activists before it, works through political channels. It also takes corporate donations from Merck.

    But some medical experts say lawmakers are moving too fast in their efforts to vaccinate all school-age girls. The American Academy of Pediatrics, for instance, is urging a go-slow approach, with an initial focus on raising public awareness of HPV and more monitoring of the safety of the vaccine, which had minimal side effects in clinical trials but hasn't been observed in larger-scale rollouts.

    "A lot of us are worried it's a little early to be pushing a mandated HPV vaccine," said Dr. Martin Myers, director of the National Network for Immunization Information. "It's not that I'm not wildly enthusiastic about this vaccine. I am. But many of us are concerned a mandate may be premature, and it's important for people to realize that this isn't as clear-cut as with some previous vaccines."

    and the money-shot:

    He added, "It's not the vaccine community pushing for this."
    Baltimore Sun

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    For every doctor you post that is worried, there are 10 out there that aren't. The success rate of this vaccine is unprecedented and we're having to hear about unsubsatantiated crap.

    Cancer > Merck apparently.

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    Finally Big Government enacts legislation that actually HELPS the "little person" - the kind of person who either doesn't or can't get regular pap smears and checkups - and we've got nutjobs protesting on account of a Republican Governor's ties to the drug company.

    I can't decide which argument is more ludicrous... that, or the contention that this vaccine will encourage promiscuity among 11 year olds. (Do any of you remember knowing or caring what you were getting shots for when you were in grade school?)

    The only argument that has any merit is whether it is safe enough for the public. Maybe if opponents would focus on that aspect and not water the discussion down with ridiculous crap, they could better communicate any potential risks.
    Last edited by Spurminator; 02-06-2007 at 04:28 PM.

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    we could spend a fraction of the money on free pelvic exams and cure Cervical cancer.
    Of course... the cure to cervical cancer is free pelvic exams! ITS SO OBVIOUS!

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    Of course... the cure to cervical cancer is free pelvic exams! ITS SO OBVIOUS!
    Early detection is the cure!

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    For every doctor you post that is worried, there are 10 out there that aren't. The success rate of this vaccine is unprecedented and we're having to hear about unsubsatantiated crap.

    Cancer > Merck apparently.
    More succinctly, petty partisanship > curing cancer.

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    if by curing cancer you mean may be preventing genital warts

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    Okay so....how are all these vaccinations going to be paid for?

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    you cant put a price on cancer

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