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He's still a top 5 SG in this league when he is fresh and healthy but there lies the problem.
Just curious what some here think.
Last edited by Ace; 09-12-2010 at 10:28 PM.
He's still a top 5 SG in this league when he is fresh and healthy but there lies the problem.
manu= roy. when healthy good. but when is the key word.
like way past his prime
I would think yes, but with Manu is hard to know.
he's a little slower than he was before. not much but a little. however, he's imporved his stroke from pretty much everywhere, which has made up for it. he's still as active without the ball as he was before (case in point being his block on Durant). His passing has gotten better year by year, and he was already phenomenal at that to begin with.
i think the Manu we saw in that stretch of like 20 games where he led the Spurs to a number of great wins is the best Manu we've seen yet. even at 32 (or is it 33 now?).
the issue is can he stay healthy.
Manu's game is predicated on his awkwardness with the ball and his killer first step. once he loses his agility and explosiveness, he's done because his shot is a slow realease, and if he can't get defenders to respect his driving game, he won't be able to get it off. i really haven't seen much of a loss in his agility or explosiveness. the problem with concluding whether he's over the hill or not from that is that we also haven't seen him play a full season as the player he is capable of being in 2 years. can he stay explosive and quick when for a full season? that's what we need to know.
healthy, though, you can bet Manu is one of the best sg guards in the league. i'd only put him only behind Wade and Kobe. i don't see how you can't considering he's extremely efficient at scoring from pretty much anywhere and affects the game in so many ways, offensively and defensively.
Of course, he's still good though. Prime Manu would get to the rim everytime he wanted, now he can't.
past his athletic prime for sure.
brett favre still doin things in his 40s
He's past his physical prime but he'll improve on other areas that can make him just as dangerous.
Yes, but not by much.
He is athletically past his prime, but as far as, IQ and skills go he is peaking right now.
Earlier on, I thought that he wouldn't have a long career with his physical playing style and his seemingly reckless disregard for his own safety. As time has passed, Manu has developed his game in such a way that I can see him being an effective player past the point where his speed and agility leave him. He has a deadly three point shot that is tough to defend and his passing skills are way above average. He is one of the smartest and quickest reacting players in the league he has an endless supply of shots and moves going to the basket.
Manu is probably the most valuable player in the league when it comes to intangibles. He rarely makes mistakes and even when he does, he hustles on the other end of the floor to make a block, steal or take a charge. He is one of the most unique players in basketball history. He is never the quickest, fastest player on the floor, but he usually comes away with the big play over a more talented player because he is so crafty. He is average height and rail thin, but he is surprisingly strong. He turns any physical disadvantage into an advantage because he is intelligent and uses his body in the most effective and optimal possible manner.
I can really see Manu being a game changing type of player for a good number of years. He could evolve into a clutch bench scoring, defensive specialist (he already is) type and extend his career for a long time.
Yeah, this is what I said but a lot better. I can see Manu still being an effective player for several years with his shooting and passing ability. He may not be 1st or 2nd option for much longer but he will always have to be accounted for.
He's past his prime. But he is still highly effective because many of his skills are not predicated on athletic ability alone, i.e. passing, outside shooting, footwork, and heart.
I see you're looking for HELP (W)Ace. I asked YOU to point out why he is past his prime. Not look to solicit opinion. Doing so, makes you look LAZY!!!!!
+1
adding when or if healthy
I'd say he's athletically past his prime, but he still improves as a player just about every year.
Good response
Manu is past his prime but still effective role player. Woman in Black seems to believe he can still be a franchise player. He wouldn't listen to me no matter what I would have said. Maybe out the mouth of another Spurs fan he will come to reality.
Even though he may not be as quick as he once was, he will continue to make his game better.
Where's your response? YOURS. I keep pointing out that when Manu sees Miami on the schedule, he ramps his game up and then what does he do? He outplays Wade. That's all the guy does. I've shown that statistically. It's been done...over and over. So again, where is your response? Saying he is out of his prime would lead many to believe that he doesn't have any serious game. That's a huge mistake. Let's just say that Ginobili has serious game and every time he's faced Miami, he's used it to obliterate DWade and his team. I expect that even in a season where they've picked up pieces that have yet to show us anything but possible potential. You can't carry over LBJ and Bosh's averages over as Alpha dogs of previous teams and just say that's what's going to happen. That's not how this TEAM game works.Good response
Manu is past his prime but still effective role player. Woman in Black seems to believe he can still be a franchise player. He wouldn't listen to me no matter what I would have said. Maybe out the mouth of another Spurs fan he will come to reality.
If this is all you got, W-Ace, then I've already won and proven my point. What little game you had, went away when you decided to ask Spurs fan for HELP!
Man In Black owning the out of this thread right now.
You responded to this post but some how it didn't stick. Like I said Manu has Tim and Tony so unlike Wade he isn't the focus of the opposing D.Manu wasn't the focus of a great defensive team, he also had a great PF and a top PG by his side. As far as rings go Wade won as number one option and turned a series around with one of the greatest finals performances.
All which is irrelevant at this point because the Spurs are not the team they were in the past and Manu is not the player he once was. At this point Wade is the better player and only a homer holding on to the past would say otherwise.
Somebody rank Manu's years from when he was best to worst.
He's on the decline, IMO. But just like with many players that have incredible basketball IQ (think Horry, Duncan, Stockton, etc) which don't rely entirely on their athleticism, he can still turn games around all on his own and dominate. That makes the decline much less pronounced. I think he still has another couple of seasons until his amazing footwork and overall skill can't overcome the physical decline that ultimately settles in. Let's hope they're healthy seasons and we get to enjoy his (and Timmy's) last few seasons at a high level.
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