when did i say trae was stockton?
im merely establishing that there is plenty of precedent for an on-ball point guard to not be the #1 option. DAF made it sound like its an either-or
I agree with you on the shooting; but its more that hes got so much gravity on his rolls to rim, ability to get fouled and shoot FT that even without shooting 40% from 3, he can be a total efficient monster on offense. His playmaking is damn good outside of carelessness IMO so ya as long as he can grow there and make sure to value the ball?
I do agree it will take good facilitator(s) I just think it comes less in the form of a ball dominant “PG” like Trae/Nash/Stockton types and more a multi-faceted attacking offense where lots of guys have playmaking responsibilities (like how Dev is really getting a lot more there, the Sochan experiment).
Spurs may very well target a legit point guard too, I just dont think its going to be a Trae like ball dominant one even if they possess that ability - they will have to be able to play off ball too, but will help a lot when you have times guys need to be able to go one on one and bend defenses etc
when did i say trae was stockton?
im merely establishing that there is plenty of precedent for an on-ball point guard to not be the #1 option. DAF made it sound like its an either-or
On ball is a pretty vague and undefined term. Trae’s career USG is 32.4. Stockton’s s 18.9.
I always find it interested to see Usage used as a measure in debates. What is it that folks think USG is measuring? People seem to think it is an indicator of how frequently a player touches the ball, but that isn't what USG% is measuring at all. For example, a theoretical catch and shoot player who never takes any dribbles and who's every touch is a shot, and who shots a lot, would have an extremely high USG% and a theoretical point guard to dribbles the air out of the ball and then passes to that catch-and-shoot player would have a very low USG%.
USG% is effectively measuring the % of a teams possessions that are ended by a player, either by a made shot (or FT), missed shot (or FT), or turnover. It is quite a poor measure if used to try to explain if a player touches the ball a lot (or is "ball dominant") or is a play maker who ac ulates a lot of assists, etc.
So to that point... what is to be inferred by comparing Trae Young's USG to John Stockton's? Both are certainly "ball dominant", but they are different players with different playing styles with different other "possession terminating" options available to them. It was clear John Stockton was not the #1 option for the Jazz, so naturally his USG% is going to be lower. But that doesn't really tell us anything about Stockton as a player. Young has always been expected to be the #1 option, which is directly measured by USG%, so of course his will be higher.
Fair question about whether Trae would be able to transition to being, at a minimum, Option 1a next to a 1b (compared to always being the clear #1), not to mention being Option 1b or 2. But his historical USG% doesn't really tell us anything about that.
What a ing moron.
If Wemby doesn't become a better offensive player than Trae ing Young, then IDGAF because the Spurs aren't contending any time soon.
Cause they don't want a repeat of the MIA series in 2022. That is why they brought Quinn and his motion offense and overpaid for DJ the next year. You need multiple creators to not a hit a brick wall in certain playoff matchups. More elite helio players have lead guards beside them, Kyrie is the robin to most of them. Best defenses forces him to play off ball or in the MIA case jack up contested bombs at an 18 percent clip.
Another example is Kobe, between Shaq leaving and Gasol arriving. Clearly the best player taking all of the shots, but LA didn’t do .
More rumblings that Clippers and PG may not come to terms on an extension. George as a veteran presence who can still get done on both ends would be a dream scenario. Can make it a sign and trade. Send the clippers keldon and the bulls first if that’s what it takes
tho obviously pg will likely prefer a contender whether that ultimately means accepting less to stay with LAC or joining embiid and maxey in philly
If the Warriors don't even make the play-in and Curry asks out:
Curry, Vassell, PG13, Sochan, Wemby
He’s posturing. Clippers want him to give them the Kawhi discount, and he’s gonna leverage a Sixer max offer to get the Clippers to match it. He’ll most likely stay in LA of course, but it could create a weird dynamic if he makes more that Kawhi who is the superior player.
That cheap ass front office isn't going to pay for anyone who even received a single all star vote.
Yeah, I don't even know what to say about Manny's post, but: Wow.
Updating my “most likely” prediction to:
1. Draft some kid who will ultimately end up a role player but will be a fan favorite
2. Sign some washed former all-star like Klay
3. Rely upon the natural growth of our team to improve to a 26 win team
Man, the Mitc extension situation is gonna be fascinating to watch. If Spurs could land Garland this summer as a result, while keeping the ATL picks that would be awesome. This is my preferred offseason scenario.
I’m not high on Trae, but in any case feels like he’ll be a Laker.
Trae going to LA is a best case scenario
Realistic off-season but pretty underwhelming
Draft Zach Risacher
trade for Garland
Sign Gary Trent Junior and kyle Anderson
Wemby/Collins
Sochan/Kyle
Gary Trent/Zach Risacher/Julian
Dev/Branham
Garland/Tre
extra roster fillers
I agree. There is a fresh round of scuttlebutt of Trae to Lakers rumbling today.
That would be a home run off season. I’d even be ok with a lesser placeholder like Batum at 3 until Risaxher (or Matas or Cody) matures into the starting role.
My hope is that Branham goes out in the CLE trade. Thin the herd while sending him to his home state.
I think something along those lines could happen which I’d be happy with but that lineup is still probably barely fighting for the Play-in
Would love to get tyus jones on a cheap deal.Tho i think orlando make throw big money at him.
We also need shooters and perhaps another big man.Alot of role players this off season can be major upgrades
over branham and champ.
Agreed. With Collins' regression and Bassey inability to stay healthy, that team needs a solid, reliable big, even if they end up wit Sarr. We can always hope Zach rebounds next year (both litterally and figuratively) but the back up situation at C is really a concern and Barlow can only be a 3rd big at best.
I think a Garland-Vassell-Wemby centered team would absolutely challenge for a playoff spot. Add Sochan as your defensive wing, and another vet wing with size and that team can definitely make some noise.
The key would be keeping those ATL picks while getting Garland.
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