2024 NBA Draft Thread

[CGD]

Not to be completely dismissive of your point but a young pg turning the ball over is way less of a concern than one that struggles to facilitate and create offense. Collier does both really well. The turnovers should solve itself with age and experience.

Agree, not sure if Collier is the guy or not at PG. But my point if that Spurs are picking at 2 or 3, I’d rather they focus on over talent over positional need. Then use the raptors pick for a specialist/fit.

[The Truth #6]

Agree, not sure if Collier is the guy or not at PG. But my point if that Spurs are picking at 2 or 3, I’d rather they focus on over talent over positional need. Then use the raptors pick for a specialist/fit.

I agree. Still need the second banana. Vassell feels like a 3rd option, if for injury concerns if nothing else.

[BacktoBasics]

I agree. Still need the second banana. Vassell feels like a 3rd option, if for injury concerns if nothing else.

I’d say he’s looking like a 2nd option but those injuries are exactly what makes you right about him being a 3rd.

[Splits]

Guys with microscopic assist totals struggle in the league. His USG is 24, he averages 0.3 assists and 1.5 TO. There are regular black holes, created by the death of a star, and then there are the supermassive black holes at the center of every galaxy. He’s a galactic class black hole

Sounds perfect, Pop has his 24-25 PG experiment

[objective]

Brian Wright no doubt is hard at work putting the same evaluation skills behind the picks of Primo, Sochan, Branham, and Wesley to work on finding the best Spurs legend

[scott]

Vassell is showing off an amazing jumper this season, he’d look even better with real PG play. His shot selection has been iffy but he is so good he has been getting away with it.

[exstatic]

Is there a precedent to successful nba point guards with AS:TO < 1? I'm legitimately curious. Westbrook and Curry were both at exactly 1 their freshman year I guess. I worry that it's only going to get worse with better compe ion he faces later in the year.

It’s a TERRIBLE sign for any player who wants to playin the NBA to have a fractional asst/TO ratio.

[BackHome]

In reality Spurs have not done to bad in the draft - Yes, the Primo pick was the worst pick ever and some scout should have definitely been fired for putting his name out there. But, other then that most of our picks are not top 10 picks - I think we have only had 2 picks in the top 10 since Timmy..and that is Sochan at 9th and Wemby at 1st..both Branham and Wesley are 20+ picks and those are even more of a roll of the dice. As far as Socahn well if you were letting him play his position PF I think he would look a heck of a lot better there then he does as a PG.

[CGD]

In reality Spurs have not done to bad in the draft - Yes, the Primo pick was the worst pick ever and some scout should have definitely been fired for putting his name out there. But, other then that most of our picks are not top 10 picks - I think we have only had 2 picks in the top 10 since Timmy..and that is Sochan at 9th and Wemby at 1st..both Branham and Wesley are 20+ picks and those are even more of a roll of the dice. As far as Socahn well if you were letting him play his position PF I think he would look a heck of a lot better there then he does as a PG.

Exactly. Outside of Wemby, the spurs haven’t had a top 5 pick in decades, which are generally the star grade players. Obviously there are outliers, but those are rare especially now that every team scours for talent all over the world.

[Thomas82]

Spurs need to grab the best talent available with their natural pick. Could be that it’s Collier which addresses the PG gap, but may also be Holland, Matas, or Sarr depending on how things shake out. Bottom line there are just too many talent gaps to be worried about one position over the other.

The Raptor pick can allow them the chance to grab a specialist/position of need. Like Proctor from Duke (PG) or Dunn for UVa (defensive wing).

I agree with every word of this. If it was up to me though, Sarr would be my choice.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Exactly. Outside of Wemby, the spurs haven’t had a top 5 pick in decades, which are generally the star grade players. Obviously there are outliers, but those are rare especially now that every team scours for talent all over the world.

Of course passing on Haliburton and Sengun were opportunities to get those outliers.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It’s a TERRIBLE sign for any player who wants to playin the NBA to have a fractional asst/TO ratio.

Like Wemby, Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Cade Cunningham, Jamal Murray....

Players grow and this is one of the easier things to overcome with experience.

[Bruno]

Projecting that Collier will be have a career AS/TO ratio <1 after only his first 6 college games is weird. If he has still more turnover than assists after 20 games, it will be the right time to be worried about that. From everything I've read/seen, he has had a good start of the season in college.


The whole best player available versus best fit thing should be more nuanced. Teams are looking at both sides at the same time and pick the player that is the best compromise. I agree that Spurs have a lot of holes, other than PG, in their roster. They will have other options than going with a PG with their pick but they will look how this player will fit with the team.

It draws the question of what kind of players will be bad fit with Wembanyama and Vassell ?
For example, a player like Sarr should be good fit as big alongside Wembanyama but I have some doubts for a player like Donovan Clingan.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Projecting that Collier will be have a career AS/TO ratio <1 after only his first 6 college games is weird. If he has still more turnover than assists after 20 games, it will be the right time to be worried about that. From everything I've read/seen, he has had a good start of the season in college.


The whole best player available versus best fit thing should be more nuanced. Teams are looking at both sides at the same time and pick the player that is the best compromise. I agree that Spurs have a lot of holes, other than PG, in their roster. They will have other options than going with a PG with their pick but they will look how this player will fit with the team.

It draws the question of what kind of players will be bad fit with Wembanyama and Vassell ?
For example, a player like Sarr should be good fit as big alongside Wembanyama but I have some doubts for a player like Donovan Clingan.

More than bad fits or not.. the Spurs shouldn't lose out on good talent. Missing out on Alperen Sengun for e.g. was criminal, IMO. Everything about Sengun - scouting, performances, etc showed that he will be a capable big to play in the NBA. Even someone like me, who only watches the NBA could gather than Sengun was going to be a good NBA talent based on the videos that I could see on YouTube and the scouting reports by journalists like Sam Vecenie etc.

And the Spurs (others did too, but it is still unforgivable)..went for Joshua Primo.. the worst pick they have made in three decades perhaps. Colossal mistake by Brian Wright.. who is lucky to be still the GM, I think, largely because he has landed Wemby and has a new canvas to paint. The decision making that led to getting Primo should never be repeated now when the Spurs have Wemby.

[exstatic]

More than bad fits or not.. the Spurs shouldn't lose out on good talent. Missing out on Alperen Sengun for e.g. was criminal, IMO. Everything about Sengun - scouting, performances, etc showed that he will be a capable big to play in the NBA. Even someone like me, who only watches the NBA could gather than Sengun was going to be a good NBA talent based on the videos that I could see on YouTube and the scouting reports by journalists like Sam Vecenie etc.

And the Spurs (others did too, but it is still unforgivable)..went for Joshua Primo.. the worst pick they have made in three decades perhaps. Colossal mistake by Brian Wright.. who is lucky to be still the GM, I think, largely because he has landed Wemby and has a new canvas to paint. The decision making that led to getting Primo should never be repeated now when the Spurs have Wemby.

Fourteen other teams passed on Sengün. And, are you really still daydreaming about Sengün when we have Wemby?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Fourteen other teams passed on Sengün. And, are you really still daydreaming about Sengün when we have Wemby?

You should read the whole post. 14 teams passed on Sengun but that doesn't excuse the Spurs because the Spurs took Primo at 12, which was a slot where Sengun should have been taken. And I am not asking for trying to get Sengun now.. but for the Spurs to avoid making such mistakes as drafting Primo for whatever reason (culture?!)

[Bellboy]

In reality Spurs have not done to bad in the draft - Yes, the Primo pick was the worst pick ever and some scout should have definitely been fired for putting his name out there. But, other then that most of our picks are not top 10 picks - I think we have only had 2 picks in the top 10 since Timmy..and that is Sochan at 9th and Wemby at 1st..both Branham and Wesley are 20+ picks and those are even more of a roll of the dice. As far as Socahn well if you were letting him play his position PF I think he would look a heck of a lot better there then he does as a PG.

[Bellboy]

In reality Spurs have not done to bad in the draft - Yes the Primo pick was the worst pick ever and some scout should have definitely been fired for putting his name out there


Alfrederick Hughes and the Missouri Highway Patrol say hi

[J_Paco]

Agree, not sure if Collier is the guy or not at PG. But my point if that Spurs are picking at 2 or 3, I’d rather they focus on over talent over positional need. Then use the raptors pick for a specialist/fit.

Any of Alex Sarr, Collier, Ron Holland (especially if he is a legit 6'6"), Nikola Topic or Matas Buzelis could both fill a positional need and be a quality positional prospect.

Spurs can add older, lower-ceiling prospects to help raise the team's floor later in the draft (and with Toronto's conceivable pick).

[exstatic]

Any of Alex Sarr, Collier, Ron Holland (especially if he is a legit 6'6"), Nikola Topic or Matas Buzelis could both fill a positional need and be a quality positional prospect.

Spurs can add older, lower-ceiling prospects to help raise the team's floor later in the draft (and with Toronto's conceivable pick).

Ron Holland hasn’t played one minute in the gleague yet. Don’t know what the deal is. Do you guys check to see how a player is playing, or even if they’re playing before making your lists, or are you just caught up in the HS/AAU hype machine?

[BackHome]

I believe you might have Holland confused with Buzelis who has been out due to injury? But I agree the hype train for Holland is going strong - I think a lot of people are giving him a pass since he is so young but in my eyes he is definitely going to have to dramatically improve to be the number 1 pick. Also, I wonder if he is a legit 6’8 as I don’t want a 6’6 SF with my first pick.

I like Starr as a Center, but if it’s me I would go with Castle with first pick and then pick up 7’0 C, Aaron Bradshaw with the Raptors pick who I think will turn some heads when he comes back in December

[RC_Drunkford]

More than bad fits or not.. the Spurs shouldn't lose out on good talent. Missing out on Alperen Sengun for e.g. was criminal, IMO. Everything about Sengun - scouting, performances, etc showed that he will be a capable big to play in the NBA. Even someone like me, who only watches the NBA could gather than Sengun was going to be a good NBA talent based on the videos that I could see on YouTube and the scouting reports by journalists like Sam Vecenie etc.

And the Spurs (others did too, but it is still unforgivable)..went for Joshua Primo.. the worst pick they have made in three decades perhaps. Colossal mistake by Brian Wright.. who is lucky to be still the GM, I think, largely because he has landed Wemby and has a new canvas to paint. The decision making that led to getting Primo should never be repeated now when the Spurs have Wemby.

I‘m pretty sure they thought Primo has better character than Sengun

[onechance87]

Any of Alex Sarr, Collier, Ron Holland (especially if he is a legit 6'6"), Nikola Topic or Matas Buzelis could both fill a positional need and be a quality positional prospect.

Spurs can add older, lower-ceiling prospects to help raise the team's floor later in the draft (and with Toronto's conceivable pick).

holland cant shoot ,Hes pretty much another james white.....alot of these small fowards cant shoot it seems....Im ok with sarr going first...Another big to pair up with wemby...Toss up with these pgs so far....none of them stand out so far....but its way to early

[exstatic]

I believe you might have Holland confused with Buzelis who has been out due to injury? But I agree the hype train for Holland is going strong - I think a lot of people are giving him a pass since he is so young but in my eyes he is definitely going to have to dramatically improve to be the number 1 pick. Also, I wonder if he is a legit 6’8 as I don’t want a 6’6 SF with my first pick.

I like Starr as a Center, but if it’s me I would go with Castle with first pick and then pick up 7’0 C, Aaron Bradshaw with the Raptors pick who I think will turn some heads when he comes back in December

You’re right. I did mix up those two. Holland aint killing it,though.

[CGD]

Of course passing on Haliburton and Sengun were opportunities to get those outliers.

Give you Haliburton, but still not fully sold on Sengun until he stops giving all the points back with bad defense.