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    Pop tore into him before halftime and he got his together….damn right he’s starting to get it! He’s going to be a weapon off the bench!

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    Quality shooting would be welcome - hopefully he can build on recent positive play on offense. The next step is valuing the ball more and reducing TOs.

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    ing brutal tonight

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    ing brutal tonight
    I really don't think this team deserves fans like this. Just a dog personality.

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    I really don't think this team deserves fans like this. Just a dog personality.
    Don’t be so sensitive. Do you think he played well tonight?

    He’s looked better post-ASB but he’s still been massively underwhelming this year. Even with his hot streak over the past couple of weeks, he’s still sitting pretty much identically to where he was last year (hint: that’s not a positive thing).

    I’m rooting for the guy and he’s still young. I’m not writing him off entirely. This is a forum where people discuss positive and negative things. Personally I think the people clamoring that he “turned a corner” were jumping the gun and I’m more inclined to think he isn’t going to keep shooting 50%+ from 3. Tonight was some of that regression to the mean but hopefully he finishes the year strong.

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    Spurs might be wasting their time here. Warriors were targeting him on defense.

    Probably need to draft his replacement this offseason when they start to churn this roster. Teams are not waiting around for these guys anymore to figure it out - and I suspect the Spurs will be the same.

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    4 good games in a row: it’s going to regress to the mean because he sucks
    1 bad game: told you he suck.

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    4 good games in a row: it’s going to regress to the mean because he sucks
    1 bad game: told you he suck.
    ^ This

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    4 good games in a row: it’s going to regress to the mean because he sucks
    1 bad game: told you he suck.
    Try two games, plus most of the season.

    Malaki last two games: 3/15 shooting (0/8 on 3)... Turning a corner, they told you.

    Looks to me that's rather a few posters coming out of the wood after 3 good Malaki games to call out everyone about a player who just hasn't been really good the whole season. Same for the whole team who suddenly would have "gotten it"... Or "resurgence" I should say .

    Great jinx tbh.
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    Guy is extremely underwhelming for 50+ games, proceeds to have 5 solid games in a row, and now we’re acting like the past 2 games are just a “blip”…when in reality the 5 good games he had were the blip

    Again, I am rooting for Malaki. He’s young and the Spurs shouldn’t give up on him just yet. But I don’t know how anyone could be confident that he’s going to stick around and be a core part of the team going forward. He’s legitimately been one of the worst rotational players in the league this year. Look at almost any metric for guys who average 20+ mpg and it’ll be hard to find many that grade out worse than Branham.

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    Try two games, plus most of the season.

    Malaki last two games: 3/15 shooting (0/8 on 3)... Turning a corner, they told you.

    Looks to me that's rather a few posters coming out of the wood after 3 good Malaki games to call out everyone about a player who just hasn't been really good the whole season. Same for the whole team who suddenly would have "gotten it"... Or "resurgence" I should say .

    Great jinx tbh.
    I am totally good with Malaki having bad games, honestly, a 20th pick having any good games is a bonus. he has shown flashes, and is obviously very raw. Important thing is that he shows improvements and can either be useful for the team or can be traded for a price that is better than a 20th pick.

    What I cannot understand though is how Spurs fans can actively root for our own players to play bad and taking joy at it just so that they can divert any blame from Wemby with regards to their own misplaced, overly optimistic predictions for the year.

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    I am totally good with Malaki having bad games, honestly, a 20th pick having any good games is a bonus. he has shown flashes, and is obviously very raw. Important thing is that he shows improvements and can either be useful for the team or can be traded for a price that is better than a 20th pick.

    What I cannot understand though is how Spurs fans can actively root for our own players to play bad and taking joy at it just so that they can divert any blame from Wemby with regards to their own misplaced, overly optimistic predictions for the year.
    I struggle to think of a single poster who would be unhappy if Malaki turned out to be a great player. The overwhelming sentiment is that him turning into a good player would be a great thing for the team.

    That sentiment is totally different than most here understanding that a 15% sampling of good games is too small to meaningfully or statistically sway expectations on who he is as a player given how abominably bad he has been for 85% of the season. Those numbers make any belief that he is reverting back to who is as a player absolutely reasonable.

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    My issue is that he's completely useless when his shot isn't falling.

    Can't get to the rim, questionable decision making and often tunnel visions, can't run an offense and is awful on defense.

    Since everyone is getting good at shooting in the modern NBA, 3pt specialist types like Korver, Re or McDermott are getting phased out.
    Unless you're among the very best at that skill, the team is better off having a player who can do multiple things and isn't bad defensively.

    Obviously too early to completely write him off, but I don't see how can he become a legit rotation piece on a playoff roster.

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    welp, that is what i get for thinking he proved me wrong by playing well...

    he fooled me lol

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    I struggle to think of a single poster who would be unhappy if Malaki turned out to be a great player. The overwhelming sentiment is that him turning into a good player would be a great thing for the team.

    That sentiment is totally different than most here understanding that a 15% sampling of good games is too small to meaningfully or statistically sway expectations on who he is as a player given how abominably bad he has been for 85% of the season. Those numbers make any belief that he is reverting back to who is as a player absolutely reasonable.
    On the contrary, I see people taking joy in being right that the team is trash outside of Wemby every single day.

    I am not sure if Malaki will be good or not, I think he has potential, and it is worth taking a look at this year, or maybe for another year. I don't see him being particularly ground breakingly good now, but I do see a microwave like role for him would be beneficial for the team.

    My issue is that he's completely useless when his shot isn't falling.

    Can't get to the rim, questionable decision making and often tunnel visions, can't run an offense and is awful on defense.

    Since everyone is getting good at shooting in the modern NBA, 3pt specialist types like Korver, Re or McDermott are getting phased out.
    Unless you're among the very best at that skill, the team is better off having a player who can do multiple things and isn't bad defensively.

    Obviously too early to completely write him off, but I don't see how can he become a legit rotation piece on a playoff roster.
    And this is the level of expectation that is frustrating. You know how many people drafted after Malaki averaged more points than him? No one. Sure there are better players, Kessler, maybe Nembrandt, Jaden Ivey, but to expect a 20th pick to be some sort of contributing factor to a future playoff team is unlikely.

    At some point we have to understand these are players who are whiffs, them not making it is normal, them making it is pure gravy. Going on and on, day after day, about how this front office is garbage because they can't get players at the 20th pick who can't contribute 2 years after they were drafted at 19 years old? How stupid is that?

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    His advanced stats are absolutely atrocious. Somehow worse than last season. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a player with worse numbers than him that has played as many minutes as he has.

    Thought he was turning the corner into being Eric Gordon there for a bit, but he's not even close to being better than 35yr old Eric Gordon on ANY metric. Problem with him is, if the shot isn't falling he brings nothing to a team. Just a shot chucker that's a cone defensively.

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    His advanced stats are absolutely atrocious. Somehow worse than last season. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a player with worse numbers than him that has played as many minutes as he has.

    Thought he was turning the corner into being Eric Gordon there for a bit, but he's not even close to being better than 35yr old Eric Gordon on ANY metric. Problem with him is, if the shot isn't falling he brings nothing to a team. Just a shot chucker that's a cone defensively.
    Advanced metrics are heavily dependent on team performance. And he is not going to impact a bad team into a positive direction. He may be able to contribute to a good team by playing a specific role. I would be ecstatic if he could become an eric Gordon, someone who can play in the league for a decade and a half or so. I’d settle for someone who can have a 5 or 6 year career by being a designated quick couple of points off the bench.

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    And this is the level of expectation that is frustrating. You know how many people drafted after Malaki averaged more points than him? No one. Sure there are better players, Kessler, maybe Nembrandt, Jaden Ivey, but to expect a 20th pick to be some sort of contributing factor to a future playoff team is unlikely.
    Yeah, my bad for expecting him to be better than being literally the worst defensive player in the league.
    There's a massive chasm between being a servicable bench player for a bad team and being a rotation piece for a playoff team.

    Right now he's not ea servicable bench player for one of the worst teams in the league.

    At some point we have to understand these are players who are whiffs, them not making it is normal, them making it is pure gravy. Going on and on, day after day, about how this front office is garbage because they can't get players at the 20th pick who can't contribute 2 years after they were drafted at 19 years old? How stupid is that?
    Also wrote about this many times.
    It's like nephew s bagging us ruined the entire front office.
    Look at our draft record since 2018, I don't think drafting two players that worked out with 8 picks is a record that's good enough to keep the fans from raising some questions.
    Yeah, Jeremy might be decent, but again nothing that special for 9th pick.

    The only truth is that PATFO went from one of the, if not the best front offices at drafting to an average one, if that.
    They kept pulling all-time greats out of their ass with worse picks, now we can't get a quality starter with lottery picks.

    We went from defense being the first, second and third most important thing, to having 1.5 useful defenders in the rotation.

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    The only truth is that PATFO went from one of the, if not the best front offices at drafting to an average one, if that.
    This is the inconvenient truth bomb, backed up with data science that I've posted numerous times in this forum. Here it is again for those who may have missed it: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702. Cliff's Notes version: The Spurs used to be among the best, but since 2018 they've very much been average.

    So, either the Spurs scouting prowess has regressed, or their development department has (or potentially both). The only third explanation is that just just gotten extremely unlucky.

    Either way, questions should be asked and it's certainly not a trend that gives me a lot of confidence that we're going to draft our way to success.

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    This is the inconvenient truth bomb, backed up with data science that I've posted numerous times in this forum. Here it is again for those who may have missed it: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702. Cliff's Notes version: The Spurs used to be among the best, but since 2018 they've very much been average.

    So, either the Spurs scouting prowess has regressed, or their development department has (or potentially both). The only third explanation is that just just gotten extremely unlucky.

    Either way, questions should be asked and it's certainly not a trend that gives me a lot of confidence that we're going to draft our way to success.
    From the article:

    Lastly, lottery draft picks are “discounted” according to how obvious the selection was. For example, a consensus first overall pick (where it is universally agreed this player should go first) would be discounted nearly 100% — meaning the draft score becomes close to zero regardless of how good or bad the player turns out. Draft picks that were less certain (where multiple players could have been conceivably picked) receive credit for either positive or negative outcomes.
    what a pile of in the tabulation at root.

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    This is the inconvenient truth bomb, backed up with data science that I've posted numerous times in this forum. Here it is again for those who may have missed it: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702. Cliff's Notes version: The Spurs used to be among the best, but since 2018 they've very much been average.

    So, either the Spurs scouting prowess has regressed, or their development department has (or potentially both). The only third explanation is that just just gotten extremely unlucky.

    Either way, questions should be asked and it's certainly not a trend that gives me a lot of confidence that we're going to draft our way to success.
    And, this data is consonant with those suggesting we offload some of our draft capital in trades (and no, not just for Trae Young) which would have the ancillary benefit of speeding up the timeline.

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    From the article:



    what a pile of in the tabulation at root.
    Thanks for another worthless contribution to the forum, Fuzzy.

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    Thanks for another worthless contribution to the forum, Fuzzy.
    The worthless contribution was quoting that article and asserting "he Spurs used to be among the best, but since 2018 they've very much been average." Prima facie we get no credit for drafting Wemby.

    I would love to hear you explain the methodology of the study and explain how you get to your conclusion.

    You likely have no concept of how the stats are put together given your initial take.

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    The worthless contribution was quoting that article and asserting "he Spurs used to be among the best, but since 2018 they've very much been average." Prima facie we get no credit for drafting Wemby.

    I would love to hear you explain the methodology of the study and explain how you get to your conclusion.

    You likely have no concept of how the stats are put together given your initial take.
    And here is another example of things you know nothing about, yet comment on anyway. The Spurs get no credit for Wemby in the current analysis because the current analysis only goes through the 2021 season (since players need time to be evaluated).

    I don't need to explain the methodology, it's all already explained in the link. Feel free to disagree, no one will care.

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    lololol kudos to Brian Wright and the rest of the FO for getting it right between picking Wemby and not some dude named Scoot who wears googles. They really threaded the needle on that decision.

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