2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Degoat]

It's not about the logic of passing on someone, it's about evaluating our front office's competence in the draft.
Right now the truth is that their asses were saved by 14% odds last year. Imagine if we didn't have Wemby. Would've probably been worse than process Sixers and two years away from being two years away.
Don't forget that we were in the lottery for 4 straight seasons before this one.

I'm not taking Devin pick against them, we had both DJ and Derrick on the roster at the time, drafting Haliburton wasn't an option.
The issue is that Spurs were everyone's pick for best drafting franchise for almost two decades and right now we're average at best. If that.

2018 - Lonnie already out of the league for all intents and purposes. Still, this one was understandable. Lonnie was ridiculously athletic, had picture perfect jumper, just never put it together.
2019- Picked Samanic, a player noone ever heard of. Inexcusable. Keldon pick saved the draft, but still.
2020 - Wright's best draft. Devin and Tre were great picks.
2021 - Primo being an exhibitionist saved their asses and gave them an excuse. He was trash and would be out of the league, either way. We all expected Sengun pick, but for some reason this was the one draft they didn't go for an European prospect.
2022 - Jeremy is a solid pick, but also a fundamentally flawed player. Forward that couldn't shoot whatsoever. He's making progress, but on the other hand there's Jalen Williams picked three spots later and is a perfect player for the modern NBA. Branham and Wesley are failed picks already. Braun and Kessler were picked right after Branham, way better picks. Nikola Jovic was picked after both Branham and Wesley and is contributing on a contender.

Now please do elaborate why do you think there's cause for optimism in such awful draft full of fundamentally flawed players?

2016- Dejounte (All star PG)
2017- DWhite (one of the best Role players in the league)
2018- Lonnie (was considered by almost EVERYONE a steal at the time.
2019- Luka was a bust, Keldon was a steal!
2020- Devin (20 ppg scorer) tre (considered to be a great backup PG)
2021- Primo (bust- but will never truly know after he flashed his )
2022- Sochan (made an all rookie team, at worst is a solid 5th starter)
2023- Wemby (rookie of the year). Sidy (looks like a solid developmental wing)

Name me a franchise that has a better track record then the spurs at drafting, I’ll wait…

You say Branham and Wesley are failed picks? Branham will have a nba career that surpasses his time as a spur, Wesley was raw as a prospect and is showing signs of improvement.

You mention Jovic contributing on a contender he scored 5 points in their play in game vs the bulls, what a pick!!

You look all around the league, every team will have blunders in their draft, spurs however have a consistent rate at finding guys. Let’s not forget about the spurs finding guys like Mamu, Julian Champagne too

[NASpurs]

Saying that, now that we have Wemby and the organization isn't rudderless anymore, they can start drafting as to what type of players Wemby needs around him.

[spurraider21]

My big board right now (excluding Sarr) is

Risacher
Sheppard/Dillingham (can’t decide here)
Holland
Topic
Collier
Buzelis
Castle
Williams

if we get 2 picks, would ideally come away with one guy who can be developed as a lead guard. I’m skeptical of whether Castle qualifies as such

Sarr is a wildcard because it all depends on whether he can coexist with Wemby and i just don’t know. Leaning against it though. No to Clingan and no to Edey

[BackHome]

I actually like Holland a lot more than I liked Kuminga in 2021. Their numbers look similar on paper, but Holland to me has a lot more suddenness and lateral agility to his game while Kuminga had more power. I worry about his rim finishing - even though the guy is an automatic paint touch, he shot 57% at the rim in a league where there is basically no paint protection.

The main argument for Holland from my perspective is this:
Elite draft prospects are a combination of 3 things:
1. Youth
2. Physical tools
3. Production against similar age or more mature prospects

In spite of his sometimes bonehaded plays and terrible outside shooting, Holland is probably the guy in the draft that best combines the 3. He'll still be 18 on draft night. His athleticism clearly pops given his first step, lateral quickness, and transition finishing (To me it's a wash between him and Dunn as the best athlete in the draft). And despite being put in a role that he clearly wasn't used to, he put up decent numbers against more mature compe ion. He actually did way better as a first-time primary initiator than I expected for an 18 year old, especially for a guy who was playing really without a point guard for most of the year and who played his entire high school career as an energy/glue guy/finisher. And he did improve over the course of the year; during the regular season his FT% was 76% while he put up a positive AS:TO. He shot poorly, but his form looks pretty good on his jumper as long as he corrects his base a little. And given his youth, you'd expect the rim finishing, handle, and jumper to improve over time especially as he gains more strength.

Compared to Kuminga, he shoots FTs better and has a higher motor both on tape and based on his metrics given his high OREB% and high STL%. Between that and his lateral agility and better defense, I think there's a good chance he turns out better than Kuminga down the line. Most reasonable estimate of his measurements are 6'7-6'8" with shoes and 6'10-6'11" wingspan which is decent for a wing especially with his athleticism. I think he's a perfectly reasonable top 3-5 pick in most drafts because of this so getting him anywhere outside the top 4 is probably a steal.

As an aside, you can very easily envision the play style that the Spurs would have if they took Holland and Sheppard. 2 elite perimeter defenders (Holland to guard the quick wings and guards, Sochan to guard the strong wings) in front of a Wemby backline. A defense focused on turnover generation and playing the passing lanes between Sheppard and Holland, both of whom had elite STL%, who have full license to gamble with Wemby behind them. An elite shooting PG who excels at hit-ahead passes in transition and pushing the pace synergizing with an athletic wing who excels in transition finishing. Sheppard's lack of advantage creation in the half court being covered up by Holland's ability to generate paint touches allowing him to function as an off-ball shooter. It's an interesting combo that I haven't thought about before but definitely seems appealing.

Excellent write up - This is why I hate this draft as any educated post can make me change my mind on a player liking them or not liking them. This is the only draft where I just have no one I really like and have no idea who we are going to pick. I saw one Youtuber talk about how Holland would be a good pick if his first year you just told him to play great defense and run the court hard and go for easy transition buckets and backdoor cuts. The second year you have him do the same but have him shooting more mid shots with a few three balls and the third year focus on his three ball shooting...
I have seen Holland all the way from the 3rd picks to all the way down to 14th pick in mocks.

[BackHome]

My big board right now (excluding Sarr) is

Risacher
Sheppard/Dillingham (can’t decide here)
Holland
Topic
Collier
Buzelis
Castle
Williams

if we get 2 picks, would ideally come away with one guy who can be developed as a lead guard. I’m skeptical of whether Castle qualifies as such

Sarr is a wildcard because it all depends on whether he can coexist with Wemby and i just don’t know. Leaning against it though. No to Clingan and no to Edey

A player I am starting to think is going to move up close to lottery is PF/C- Tyler Smith a big guy 6'11 who played with Matas and usually outplayed him for most of the season. What are your thoughts on this kid?

[KobesAchilles]

In every single draft you could say we passed on so and so for this guy, if we had Halliburton we wouldn’t have wemby right now so your logic is pointless.

You learning how to read is a more important point. I literally said that Wemby covered Wrongs bad pick. However, there is no fix for the this pick. So he needs to get it right this time. The every other draft argument is bull bc the Spurs have only had 4 other top 5 picks in its whole history. Teams are built by picking the right guy. Loser franchises get the picks wrong.

[BackHome]

Tankathon has Risacher number #2 on there board but I can not remember a time that when looking at there evaluation they have only 1 Strength for him to go with 10 Stat Weaknesses. It may mean nothing but I can not ever remember a time seeing that for such a high pick.

[LeBowen]

Name me a franchise that has a better track record then the spurs at drafting, I’ll wait…

Why are you listing DJ and Derrick? That was before Wright took over.
Memphis nailed their picks and have howmegrown big3.
Denver's drafted their core 3.
Toronto's drafting is great, it's just that Masai couldn't get over himself after the nephew trade.
Do I need to say anything about Heat and their scouting? They don't miss.

You say Branham and Wesley are failed picks? Branham will have a nba career that surpasses his time as a spur

Lonnie was showing way more promise than Branham and he's done.
Branham is the most common archetype in the league. Shooting guard that's supposed to be a good score and doesn't do much else. You can find those everywhere.
He's a horrid defender, doesn't have good playmaking instincts and is showing no signs that he could become a sharpshooting specialist.

Wesley was raw as a prospect and is showing signs of improvement.

Get over him, man. It's been two seasons and he still can't shoot whatsoever and has no handles. He's got wingspan and some defensive instincts, but his IQ is low.
He's most definitely not an NBA player. But still, I can understand Wesley pick more than Branham pick. Wesley was supposed to be the next DJ, I can see the similarities.
But drafting Branham when we already had Devin on the roster is really questionable.

You mention Jovic contributing on a contender he scored 5 points in their play in game vs the bulls, what a pick!!

Do you actually watch games or just box scores?
Jovic isn't a superstar in the making, but he's a 6'10 forward who's good at handling the ball for his size, can shoot and isn't a defensive sieve.
Most importantly, he has good basketball IQ unlike our two picks.

You look all around the league, every team will have blunders in their draft

Of course. That's why I said I don't blame them for missing out on Haliburton and drafting Lonnie.
Those picks made sense.
But Samanic and Primo were obviously bad picks before we ever saw those two play.
Attempted masterstrokes with PATFO thinking they're smarter than everyone.

spurs however have a consistent rate at finding guys. Let’s not forget about the spurs finding guys like Mamu, Julian Champagne too

What exactly did they find? Mamu has looked good only because every other forward has negative IQ.
His offensive game is solid, but unless he develops a consistent 3pt shot he'll never be a rotation player on a playoff team because he's a defensive sieve, almost as bad as Collins on that end.
Champagnie's deal is great, we can hope he gets more consistent, but it's not like they found a legit 3-D player. Right now he wouldn't be in the rotation of any playoff team.
And that's the issue with a lot of Spurs fans I talk with. Most people don't watch games around the league and grasp for straws when it comes to our players and their potential. As soon as someone makes a couple of layups or wide open threes, people start thinking we're onto something and that they'll develop into legit NBA players.

Then you look at the contracts Wright handed out last summer.
Even though it's an overpay as thing stands now, I can understand them showing trust in Devin.
But Collins? Like what the ? Why? Unexplainable.

To end on a positive note, Wright has been really good at getting assets. Great salesman, value he got for players we traded away is amazing.
But now it's time to buy. Maybe not this summer, but definitely the next one. We won't build the entire roster through draft. We'll need a handful of good players via trades or FA and a legit running mate for Wemby.
I'm kind of not optimistic about that part.

[spurraider21]

A player I am starting to think is going to move up close to lottery is PF/C- Tyler Smith a big guy 6'11 who played with Matas and usually outplayed him for most of the season. What are your thoughts on this kid?

He’s fine. Chinook had his offseason scenario where we made a trade landing is i believe the #22 or so pick and took Smith there. I think that’s a perfectly good scenario. I don’t know if i like him as much as the guys on my list.

also starting to lean sheppard over dilly…

[Degoat]

Why are you listing DJ and Derrick? That was before Wright took over.
Memphis nailed their picks and have howmegrown big3.
Denver's drafted their core 3.
Toronto's drafting is great, it's just that Masai couldn't get over himself after the nephew trade.
Do I need to say anything about Heat and their scouting? They don't miss.



Lonnie was showing way more promise than Branham and he's done.
Branham is the most common archetype in the league. Shooting guard that's supposed to be a good score and doesn't do much else. You can find those everywhere.
He's a horrid defender, doesn't have good playmaking instincts and is showing no signs that he could become a sharpshooting specialist.



Get over him, man. It's been two seasons and he still can't shoot whatsoever and has no handles. He's got wingspan and some defensive instincts, but his IQ is low.
He's most definitely not an NBA player. But still, I can understand Wesley pick more than Branham pick. Wesley was supposed to be the next DJ, I can see the similarities.
But drafting Branham when we already had Devin on the roster is really questionable.



Do you actually watch games or just box scores?
Jovic isn't a superstar in the making, but he's a 6'10 forward who's good at handling the ball for his size, can shoot and isn't a defensive sieve.
Most importantly, he has good basketball IQ unlike our two picks.



Of course. That's why I said I don't blame them for missing out on Haliburton and drafting Lonnie.
Those picks made sense.
But Samanic and Primo were obviously bad picks before we ever saw those two play.
Attempted masterstrokes with PATFO thinking they're smarter than everyone.



What exactly did they find? Mamu has looked good only because every other forward has negative IQ.
His offensive game is solid, but unless he develops a consistent 3pt shot he'll never be a rotation player on a playoff team because he's a defensive sieve, almost as bad as Collins on that end.
Champagnie's deal is great, we can hope he gets more consistent, but it's not like they found a legit 3-D player. Right now he wouldn't be in the rotation of any playoff team.
And that's the issue with a lot of Spurs fans I talk with. Most people don't watch games around the league and grasp for straws when it comes to our players and their potential. As soon as someone makes a couple of layups or wide open threes, people start thinking we're onto something and that they'll develop into legit NBA players.

Then you look at the contracts Wright handed out last summer.
Even though it's an overpay as thing stands now, I can understand them showing trust in Devin.
But Collins? Like what the ? Why? Unexplainable.

To end on a positive note, Wright has been really good at getting assets. Great salesman, value he got for players we traded away is amazing.
But now it's time to buy. Maybe not this summer, but definitely the next one. We won't build the entire roster through draft. We'll need a handful of good players via trades or FA and a legit running mate for Wemby.
I'm kind of not optimistic about that part.

If you think Wright is solely in charge of all the spurs moves, you’re an idiot… it’s the spurs brass as group that makes decisions including Pop, RC, Manu, Barry, and a whole bunch of others that helped bring 5 championships to SA. If you just look at the spurs 4 lottery picks since we’ve started to really struggle lately we’ve hit on 3 out of 4, I’ll take that everytime. If as a fan you hold the fact that Branham, Wesley or Primo didn’t progress or weren’t good “evaluation picks” and makes you distrust the FO, go root for another team I guess. I trust the spurs to make the right decision because they have more times than not.

[SpursBills]

Excellent write up - This is why I hate this draft as any educated post can make me change my mind on a player liking them or not liking them. This is the only draft where I just have no one I really like and have no idea who we are going to pick. I saw one Youtuber talk about how Holland would be a good pick if his first year you just told him to play great defense and run the court hard and go for easy transition buckets and backdoor cuts. The second year you have him do the same but have him shooting more mid shots with a few three balls and the third year focus on his three ball shooting...
I have seen Holland all the way from the 3rd picks to all the way down to 14th pick in mocks.

Yeah, every time I convince myself that Holland is going to be a better version of Kuminga or Jaylen Brown, I also think of a downside comp for him. As a young high motor versatile forward with good defense, great intangibles, a sprinkle of playmaking potential, and a questionable shot, his closest comp in recent years to me is probably Justise Winslow - who I honestly thought was going to be a stud. Unfortunately we found out that Winslow's outside shooting in college was a mirage and he had significant difficulty finishing around the basket - one of my main concerns about Holland. Even before his injuries Winslow was just kind of a middling player that was a good defender but was an offensive liability, and that'd be my worry with Holland.

[Degoat]

You learning how to read is a more important point. I literally said that Wemby covered Wrongs bad pick. However, there is no fix for the this pick. So he needs to get it right this time. The every other draft argument is bull bc the Spurs have only had 4 other top 5 picks in its whole history. Teams are built by picking the right guy. Loser franchises get the picks wrong.

“However, there is no fix for the this pick.” Good grammar…

Making sure that whoever the spurs draft is better than anybody who is drafted behind them is impossible, every team has different big boards, the jury isn’t even out yet if Haliburton is better then Devin, he probably is but at the time the spurs didnt need a PG!

[LeBowen]

If you think Wright is solely in charge of all the spurs moves, you’re an idiot…

If you think that telling people they're idiots is fine, you can go yourself.

it’s the spurs brass as group that makes decisions including Pop, RC, Manu, Barry, and a whole bunch of others that helped bring 5 championships to SA.

Yeah, let's hold onto ancient history and not the past 6 years since nephew ruined everything and it's become obvious that they're not on the level they used to be.

If you just look at the spurs 4 lottery picks since we’ve started to really struggle lately we’ve hit on 3 out of 4, I’ll take that everytime.

What exactly did we hit?
Are you seriously going to call Wemby pick a hit? The easiest draft decision since AD.
Is Sochan a hit? Right now he's an average defender at best (his main upside on draft day), we've all seen his playmaking skills at work and he can't shoot.
Mamu is an obviously inferior player to Sochan and yet our entire team looked way more fluid with Mamu than Sochan just because he's got solid passing IQ and doesn't attempt the most ridiculous plays in the paint.
Devin was a hit until they gave him a $150M deal. If he doesn't take another big step, he's not worth the money. You can find 20ppg scorers that dont' do much else and aren't anything special on defense for way less.

If as a fan you hold the fact that Branham, Wesley or Primo didn’t progress or weren’t good “evaluation picks” and makes you distrust the FO, go root for another team I guess. I trust the spurs to make the right decision because they have more times than not.

You trust the Spurs because you're a blind homer with no basketball knowledge whatsoever.
And sniffers like yourself are the reason why this franchise has been in the ter for 5 years up until 14% luck struck yet again. Do you realize that the amazing front office you're advocating for currently holds the second longest lottery streak after the Hornets? Do you realize that we would've probably broken Hornets and process Sixers records for worst season in NBA history if not for that 14% luck? If we didn't get Wemby, we would be stuck with one of those Thompson twins that can't shoot whatsoever and would be two years away from being two years away. And it would've most likely been fatal for the franchise.

Do you realize that you're claiming PATFO made more good than bad decisions while talking about people who tried to compete and kept Bryn ing Forbes in the starting lineup for two straight season. Always praised for their character judgement. Too bad Bryn turned out to be a women abuser.
You probably think that it was their masterstroke not to tank, but to trade for career loser Demar Derozan instead of way better offers just because they knew they'd get a kid that was 14 at the time in 2023 lottery.
All the ing Patty, Bryn, Marco lineups and people like yourself who probably didn't even watch most games since we fell out of the playoffs come in and say they trust PATFO.
Do you realize that they gave 32 million to Zach Collins. Who the was lining up to pry away Zach ing Collins for us at that price?

Many dynasties in world of sports fell apart and never returned to their previous level because of the very same people that brought them to the top. Everyone has their expiry date, it's only natural. But most of those people just can't realize when it's enough and carry on way past that expiry date and at that point it's too late.
Spurs are the luckiest franchise in the entire league, just got a potential GOAT player and if you think that Brian Wright is to be fully trusted with no skepticism, then I don't know what to tell you other than you're a blind homer that doesn't know about basketball.

I'm not calling for anyone's head, I'm hoping for the best, but if your only argument is to keep calm and trust people that have been making horrible mistakes over the past years, then you should go to reddit or twitter, that's where blind homers reside.
Let us haters have this last bastion of free speech when it comes to Spurs fandom.

Rant over.

[Degoat]

If you think that telling people they're idiots is fine, you can go yourself.



Yeah, let's hold onto ancient history and not the past 6 years since nephew ruined everything and it's become obvious that they're not on the level they used to be.



What exactly did we hit?
Are you seriously going to call Wemby pick a hit? The easiest draft decision since AD.
Is Sochan a hit? Right now he's an average defender at best (his main upside on draft day), we've all seen his playmaking skills at work and he can't shoot.
Mamu is an obviously inferior player to Sochan and yet our entire team looked way more fluid with Mamu than Sochan just because he's got solid passing IQ and doesn't attempt the most ridiculous plays in the paint.
Devin was a hit until they gave him a $150M deal. If he doesn't take another big step, he's not worth the money. You can find 20ppg scorers that dont' do much else and aren't anything special on defense for way less.



You trust the Spurs because you're a blind homer with no basketball knowledge whatsoever.
And sniffers like yourself are the reason why this franchise has been in the ter for 5 years up until 14% luck struck yet again. Do you realize that the amazing front office you're advocating for currently holds the second longest lottery streak after the Hornets? Do you realize that we would've probably broken Hornets and process Sixers records for worst season in NBA history if not for that 14% luck? If we didn't get Wemby, we would be stuck with one of those Thompson twins that can't shoot whatsoever and would be two years away from being two years away. And it would've most likely been fatal for the franchise.

Do you realize that you're claiming PATFO made more good than bad decisions while talking about people who tried to compete and kept Bryn ing Forbes in the starting lineup for two straight season. Always praised for their character judgement. Too bad Bryn turned out to be a women abuser.
You probably think that it was their masterstroke not to tank, but to trade for career loser Demar Derozan instead of way better offers just because they knew they'd get a kid that was 14 at the time in 2023 lottery.
All the ing Patty, Bryn, Marco lineups and people like yourself who probably didn't even watch most games since we fell out of the playoffs come in and say they trust PATFO.
Do you realize that they gave 32 million to Zach Collins. Who the was lining up to pry away Zach ing Collins for us at that price?

Many dynasties in world of sports fell apart and never returned to their previous level because of the very same people that brought them to the top. Everyone has their expiry date, it's only natural. But most of those people just can't realize when it's enough and carry on way past that expiry date and at that point it's too late.
Spurs are the luckiest franchise in the entire league, just got a potential GOAT player and if you think that Brian Wright is to be fully trusted with no skepticism, then I don't know what to tell you other than you're a blind homer that doesn't know about basketball.

I'm not calling for anyone's head, I'm hoping for the best, but if your only argument is to keep calm and trust people that have been making horrible mistakes over the past years, then you should go to reddit or twitter, that's where blind homers reside.
Let us haters have this last bastion of free speech when it comes to Spurs fandom.

Rant over.

Oh I’m sorry, didn’t know the “I word” would trigger you, this is a spurs fan site, of course I’m a homer this is for SPURS FANS!!! It seems like you expect things to change tomorrow and that’s not going to happen, I expect the spurs to slow build this thing. Sorry to burst your bubble but everyone that works with the spurs is more qualified and has more basketball knowledge in their pinky than anybody on this board including you. The spurs have endless possibilities with Wemby on the team in part because wemby is HIM but also all the draft capital & cap space available. Sit back and enjoy the ride, in Pop we trust.

[Dejounte]

“And sniffers like yourself are the reason why this franchise has been in the ter for 5 years up until 14% luck struck yet again.”
LeBowen I read up until here and I hope you realize soon that sniffers don’t control what this franchise does nor do they have any influence. That’s just ridiculous.

[Limguogolo]

If you're looking for a shooter/defender, late first round, second round, there's Melvin Ajinca that Victor must know well. He was an offensive leader with Zach Perrin (not Sarr or Risacher, in the same team) last year when the French U19 team finished with a silver medal at the world championship by beating Team USA in the semi-final. He just scored 19pts with 4/10 from three points. (He even appears to have attempted a missed three-point pull-up shot like Victor last year. Apparently, because the national championship games are not broadcast in France.)

[Dejounte]

It’s statements like that that make me wonder if people actually know the team they’re following, tbh. Did you pick a team out of the blue? One would think that the reason someone starts following a team is because they agree with the org’s principles & decision-making behind their success. Or is it just surface-level fandom where they were winning at a certain point and you decided to bandwagon? Or they had one player (Timmy obviously) you had adoration for but now he’s gone? Nothing’s forcing you to continue following a team that your favorite player once played for. If it isn’t the team’s core principles you’re following them for, then what’s the point of staying? To torture yourself day by day?

[LeBowen]

Oh I’m sorry, didn’t know the “I word” would trigger you, this is a spurs fan site, of course I’m a homer this is for SPURS FANS!!! It seems like you expect things to change tomorrow and that’s not going to happen, I expect the spurs to slow build this thing. Sorry to burst your bubble but everyone that works with the spurs is more qualified and has more basketball knowledge in their pinky than anybody on this board including you. The spurs have endless possibilities with Wemby on the team in part because wemby is HIM but also all the draft capital & cap space available. Sit back and enjoy the ride, in Pop we trust.

There's one basic concept you don't understand.
This thing is called constructive criticism. While I agree that there are some posters in here who go way overboard, homers like yourself are the same to me.
I always try to explain my takes and then someone like yourself comes up with nothing but "LET'S TRUST POP AND RC". What's the point of posting if we can't discuss stuff? Just go watch highlights on social media, why are you even reading my nonsense?
If I make the effort to write a constructive post, then you either reply in the same manner, or don't reply at all. I don't engage posters I don't think are worth replying to and if I'm trying to write in a more serious manner, don't bother me with that "JUST BELIEVE IN OUR LEADERSHIP" nonsense.

If there were no people who follow and discuss sports, there would be no money in those sports and people like Brian Wright would have to earn their living somewhere else.
The "more knowledge in their pinky" is the worst take of them all. Too bad that pinky knowledge wasn't enough to predict that Wemby will be a center in this league and won't need another big alongside him. We'd have $17M more cap space this summer. Instead, we'll have to waste some second rounders to get rid of Zach's contract because he's been garbage and has suffered another long-term injury. (who could've predicted that)

“And sniffers like yourself are the reason why this franchise has been in the ter for 5 years up until 14% luck struck yet again.”
LeBowen I read up until here and I hope you realize soon that sniffers don’t control what this franchise does nor do they have any influence. That’s just ridiculous.

Yeah, that was a bit too much.
But there's no other successful franchise in world of sports with such lack of constructive media presence.
We'll never know and it's better that we won't, but noone convince me that Spurs wouldn't be on the brink of a disaster right now if lottery balls didn't go our way last year.
Disaster that goes way beyond being the worst team in the league.

[Degoat]

There's one basic concept you don't understand.
This thing is called constructive criticism. While I agree that there are some posters in here who go way overboard, homers like yourself are the same to me.
I always try to explain my takes and then someone like yourself comes up with nothing but "LET'S TRUST POP AND RC". What's the point of posting if we can't discuss stuff? Just go watch highlights on social media, why are you even reading my nonsense?
If I make the effort to write a constructive post, then you either reply in the same manner, or don't reply at all. I don't engage posters I don't think are worth replying to and if I'm trying to write in a more serious manner, don't bother me with that "JUST BELIEVE IN OUR LEADERSHIP" nonsense.

If there were no people who follow and discuss sports, there would be no money in those sports and people like Brian Wright would have to earn their living somewhere else.
The "more knowledge in their pinky" is the worst take of them all. Too bad that pinky knowledge wasn't enough to predict that Wemby will be a center in this league and won't need another big alongside him. We'd have $17M more cap space this summer. Instead, we'll have to waste some second rounders to get rid of Zach's contract because he's been garbage and has suffered another long-term injury. (who could've predicted that)



Yeah, that was a bit too much.
But there's no other successful franchise in world of sports with such lack of constructive media presence.
We'll never know and it's better that we won't, but noone convince me that Spurs wouldn't be on the brink of a disaster right now if lottery balls didn't go our way last year.
Disaster that goes way beyond being the worst team in the league.

I’m a fan posting on my teams website that I’m warming up to the prospects in this draft and trust the spurs will find the right one and you begin going off the walls freaking out with your takes lmao It was known as soon as wemby was drafted that he wanted to be like KD and didn’t want to play C, of course they were gonna experiment and let that new generational player have some input in the beginning.

Btw we say all that in Pop we trust, trust the leadership BS because of bandwagon fans like you that come in and have no clue about how the spurs have always operated.

[skin27]

Why ya'll stressing out here?spurs just beed to pick dillingham or topic in the upcoming draft.

[Degoat]

Why ya'll stressing out here?spurs just beed to pick dillingham or topic in the upcoming draft.

That’s all I’ve been trying to say… lol

[LeBowen]

It was known as soon as wemby was drafted that he wanted to be like KD and didn’t want to play C, of course they were gonna experiment and let that new generational player have some input in the beginning.

How does any of that combined with pinky knowledge explain the decision to give Zach Collins 32/2 a year before his contract was up?
You're just digging yourself deeper.

Btw we say all that in Pop we trust

Plenty of people on this board don't. Way bigger haters than myself.
You can agree with them or not, but plenty of them have way better arguments than in Pop we trust.

trust the leadership BS because of bandwagon fans like you that come in and have no clue about how the spurs have always operated.

More ad hominem nonsense.
This bandwagon fan has seen 48 minutes of every single game in these awful years.
Even when I wasn't able to watch live, I'd see the result and still watch every single one of those blowouts.

Now go back to your "in Pop we trust" analysis, and I'll try to use actual arguments in my posts.
I think we derailed the topic enough.

Why ya'll stressing out here?spurs just beed to pick dillingham or topic in the upcoming draft.

Potential Topic pick is exactly what stresses me out.
Post #2888 in this topic. (pun intended)

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11037614

[SpursBills]

I think it'll be interesting to see if there's a shift in draft philosophy before and after Wemby. In a way, it's sometimes easier to take proven older prospects with a track record of success versus drafting young raw prospects with some flashes that require a lot of projection. Guys like Jaime Jaquez, TJD, Derrick White, and in this draft Devin Carter require less projection than a Nick Smith Jr, Josh Primo, or Nikola Topic. When the team didn't have a star, I think they may have thought that they had to take a chance on some of these unproven young prospects - in a vacuum, Sochan was a better pick than Tari Eason or Jalen Williams given his significant youth and rapid improvement. Malaki and Wesley were both very young guys who could potentially turn into lead guards (as an aside, if you go back to the Malaki draft thread and mainstream post-draft reactions, pretty much everyone thought the spurs had gotten a steal). Now that the spurs have their franchise cornerstone, you wonder if they'll be less willing to take extremely raw guys that require a ton of projection in order to accommodate Wemby's talent. That's not to say that they'll be taking seniors or upperclassmen, but they may be more inclined to take guys with existing proven skills over someone who's just completely raw (Risacher who's shown that he can sort of shoot and defend vs Cody who's shown basically nothing but has a better NBA body as a rough example).

On another note, no front office is perfect and there have been bad misses by even elite drafting front offices (Memphis - Ziaire Williams at 10; OKC - 3 picks for Ousmane Dieng, Giddey at 5, Poku; Miami - Justise Winslow at 10). At the same time, if the spurs front office is going to be considered great or elite, they absolutely need to have a couple of home runs relative to draft position. Yes, all of these their picks so far have been reasonable (except Primo), but elite front offices all have picks that far over performed their draft position in addition to the obvious picks.

Memphis - Bane
OKC - JDub
Denver - Jokic and Murray
Miami - Bam
Boston - Tatum and Brown, plus pretty much every trade Stevens has made

If the Spurs FO is to live up to its original reputation, they have to really hit on at least 1-2 of their moves. It's really too early to tell because their guys are all so young and they have a lot of bites at the apple in the future, but I think that if we're holding the FO to the standard that we have in the past, every draft pick and acquisition can't just top out at 'decent'. They actually have to hit big on 1-2 moves to continue to move the franchise forward.

[KobesAchilles]

“However, there is no fix for the this pick.” Good grammar…

Making sure that whoever the spurs draft is better than anybody who is drafted behind them is impossible, every team has different big boards, the jury isn’t even out yet if Haliburton is better then Devin, he probably is but at the time the spurs didnt need a PG!

Oh no, my iPhone accidentally added the word “the” in the sentence. The horror of it all. I’m so glad you pointed it out to me. Now if only you could point out to me how Vassell is better than Halliburton. What exactly is Vassell better at? Shooting? No. Dribbling? No. Running an offense? No. Passing? No. Defense? No. Leading a team to the playoffs and a winning record? Nope.

Again, it isn’t impossible. It should be expected. Bc loser franchises miss out players. They trade Olden Polynice for Pippen and start a dynasty. They trade Tractor Taylor for Dirk. They take Oden over Durant. Ayton over Luka. They pick Fultz over Tatum. Dunn over Jamal Murray. Andrew Wiggins over Embiid. Sochan over Williams I don’t think you grasp the importance of this pick. Top 5 picks shape franchises. There might be only one star player in this draft and we get unlucky and he is picked before we get to choose. But if that player comes AFTER our pick, yeah the front office should be held accountable.

Non Spurs fans on this website man are ridiculous.
Jury is still out on Halliburton being better than Vassell
Its impossible to pick the best player
Why should we blame the GM when he messes up? It isn’t his fault his job is difficult

[Degoat]

How does any of that combined with pinky knowledge explain the decision to give Zach Collins 32/2 a year before his contract was up?
You're just digging yourself deeper.



Plenty of people on this board don't. Way bigger haters than myself.
You can agree with them or not, but plenty of them have way better arguments than in Pop we trust.



More ad hominem nonsense.
This bandwagon fan has seen 48 minutes of every single game in these awful years.
Even when I wasn't able to watch live, I'd see the result and still watch every single one of those blowouts.

Now go back to your "in Pop we trust" analysis, and I'll try to use actual arguments in my posts.
I think we derailed the topic enough.



Potential Topic pick is exactly what stresses me out.
Post #2888 in this topic. (pun intended)

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...1#post11037614

It’s a short term contract that can be used as expiring money next year and it shows the spurs still take care of their own. It’s not rocket science!