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Cant_Be_Faded
06-15-2008, 12:10 PM
http://biz.yahoo.com/nytimes/080614/1194785259060.html?.v=3

Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic
Saturday June 14, 11:35 pm ET
By BRIAN STELTER

Some people use the Internet simply to check e-mail and look up phone numbers. Others are online all day, downloading big video and music files.

For years, both kinds of Web surfers have paid the same price for access. But now three of the country’s largest Internet service providers are threatening to clamp down on their most active subscribers by placing monthly limits on their online activity.

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One of them, Time Warner Cable, began a trial of “Internet metering” in one Texas city early this month, asking customers to select a monthly plan and pay surcharges when they exceed their bandwidth limit. The idea is that people who use the network more heavily should pay more, the way they do for water, electricity, or, in many cases, cellphone minutes.

That same week, Comcast said that it would expand on a strategy it uses to manage Internet traffic: slowing down the connections of the heaviest users, so-called bandwidth hogs, at peak times.

AT&T also said Thursday that limits on heavy use were inevitable and that it was considering pricing based on data volume. “Based on current trends, total bandwidth in the AT&T network will increase by four times over the next three years,” the company said in a statement.

All three companies say that placing caps on broadband use will ensure fair access for all users.

Internet metering is a throwback to the days of dial-up service, but at a time when video and interactive games are becoming popular, the experiments could have huge implications for the future of the Web.

Millions of people are moving online to watch movies and television shows, play multiplayer video games and talk over videoconference with family and friends. And media companies are trying to get people to spend more time online: the Disneys and NBCs of the world keep adding television shows and movies to their Web sites, giving consumers convenient entertainment that soaks up a lot of bandwidth.

Moreover, companies with physical storefronts, like Blockbuster, are moving toward digital delivery of entertainment. And new distributors of online content — think YouTube — are relying on an open data spigot to make their business plans work.

Critics of the bandwidth limits say that metering and capping network use could hold back the inevitable convergence of television, computers and the Internet.

The Internet “is how we deliver our shows,” said Jim Louderback, chief executive of Revision3, a three-year-old media company that runs what it calls a television network on the Web. “If all of a sudden our viewers are worried about some sort of a broadband cap, they may think twice about downloading or watching our shows.”

Even if the caps are far above the average users’ consumption, their mere existence could cause users to reduce their time online. Just ask people who carefully monitor their monthly allotments of cellphone minutes and text messages.

“As soon as you put serious uncertainty as to cost on the table, people’s feeling of freedom to predict cost dries up and so does innovation and trying new applications,” Vint Cerf, the chief Internet evangelist for Google who is often called the “father of the Internet,” said in an e-mail message.

But the companies imposing the caps say that their actions are only fair. People who use more network capacity should pay more, Time Warner argues. And Comcast says that people who use too much — like those who engage in file-sharing — should be forced to slow down.

Time Warner also frames the issue in financial terms: the broadband infrastructure needs to be improved, it says, and maybe metering could pay for the upgrades. So far its trial is limited to new subscribers in Beaumont, Tex., a city of roughly 110,000.

In that trial, new customers can buy plans with a 5-gigabyte cap, a 20-gigabyte cap or a 40-gigabyte cap. Prices for those plans range from $30 to $50. Above the cap, customers pay $1 a gigabyte. Plans with higher caps come with faster service.

“Average customers are way below the caps,” said Kevin Leddy, executive vice president for advanced technology at Time Warner Cable. “These caps give them years’ worth of growth before they’d ever pay any surcharges.”

Casual Internet users who merely send e-mail messages, check movie times and read the news are not likely to exceed the caps. But people who watch television shows on Hulu.com, rent movies on iTunes or play the multiplayer game Halo on Xbox may start to exceed the limits — and millions of people are already doing those things.

Streaming an hour of video on Hulu, which shows programs like “Saturday Night Live,” “Family Guy” and “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart,” consumes about 200 megabytes, or one-fifth of a gigabyte. A higher-quality hour of the same content bought through Apple’s iTunes store can use about 500 megabytes, or half a gigabyte.

A high-definition episode of <object.title class="Movie" idsrc="nyt_ttl" value="48007">“Survivor”</object.title> on CBS.com can use up to a gigabyte, and a DVD-quality movie through Netflix’s new online service can eat up about five gigabytes. One Netflix download alone, in fact, could bring a user to the limit on the cheapest plan in Time Warner’s trial in Beaumont.

Even services like Skype and Vonage that use the Internet to transmit phone calls could help put users over the monthly limits.

Time Warner would not reveal how many gigabytes an average customer uses, saying only that 95 percent of customers use under 40 gigabytes each in a month.

That means that 5 percent of customers use more than 50 percent of the network’s overall capacity, the company said, and many of those people are assumed to be sharing copyrighted video and music files illegally.

The Time Warner plan has the potential to bring Internet use full circle, back to the days when pay-as-you-go pricing held back the Web’s popularity. In the early days of dial-up access, America Online and other providers offered tiered pricing, in part because audio and video were barely viable online. Consumers feared going over their allotted time and bristled at the idea that access to cyberspace was billed by the hour.

In 1996, when AOL started offering unlimited access plans, Internet use took off and the online world started moving to the center of people’s daily lives. Today most Internet packages provide a seemingly unlimited amount of capacity, at least from the consumer’s perspective.

But like water and electricity, even digital resources are finite. Last year Comcast disclosed that it was temporarily turning off the connections of customers who used file-sharing services like BitTorrent, arguing that they were slowing things down for everyone else. The people who got cut off complained and asked how much broadband use was too much; the company did not have a ready answer.

Thus, like Time Warner, Comcast is considering a form of Internet metering that would apply to all online activity.

The goal, says Mitch Bowling, a senior vice president at Comcast, is “ensuring that a small number of users don’t impact the experience for everyone else.”

Last year Comcast was sued when it was disclosed that the company had singled out BitTorrent users.

In February, Comcast departed from that approach and started collaborating with the company that runs BitTorrent. Now it has shifted to what it calls a “platform agnostic” approach to managing its network, meaning that it slows down the connection of any customer who uses too much bandwidth at congested times.

Mr. Bowling said that “typical Internet usage” would not be affected. But on the Internet, “typical” use is constantly being redefined.

“The definitions of low and high usage today are meaningless, because the Internet’s going to grow, and nothing’s going to stop that,” said Eric Klinker, the chief technology officer of BitTorrent.

As the technology company Cisco put it in a recent report, “today’s ‘bandwidth hog’ is tomorrow’s average user.”

One result of these experiments is a tug-of-war between the Internet providers and media companies, which are monitoring the Time Warner experiment with trepidation.

“We hate it,” said a senior executive at a major media company, who requested anonymity because his company, like all broadcasters, must play nice with the same cable operators that are imposing the limits. Now that some television shows are viewed millions of times online, the executive said, any impediment would hurt the advertising model for online video streaming.

Mr. Leddy of Time Warner said that the media companies’ fears were overblown. If the company were to try to stop Web video, “we would not succeed,” he said. “We know how much capacity they’re going to need in the future, and we know what it’s going to cost. And today’s business model doesn’t pay for it very well.”



The more time goes by, Time Warner climbs the evil company ladder to the highest ranks.

Dex
06-15-2008, 12:19 PM
Pretty sure this has been brought up before, but it still sucks.

I'm glad I'm with some tiny little company out in podunk Pflugerville. We'll see how long it takes before Suddenlink decides to follow suit.

Brutalis
06-15-2008, 12:22 PM
I can't torrent anyways. I am on HughesNet satellite. It's fast but, ok.. I don't know how to torrent I admit it..!>>!>!>

Dex
06-15-2008, 12:34 PM
I can't torrent anyways. I am on HughesNet satellite. It's fast but, ok.. I don't know how to torrent I admit it..!>>!>!>

Use Azureus to download torrent Files:
http://www.azureus.com

Use IsoHunt to find torrent files:
http://www.isohunt.com

Go to Isohunt, find what you want, download the torrent file, and it should automatically open in Azureus and start transferring. It will save to the Azureus Downloads folder when it's finished.

You can thank me later. :toast

mouse
06-15-2008, 01:51 PM
I already have the complete NSYNC collection so I am good. What i don't get is what about people with wireless, If the neighbor upstairs is using there signal do they get charged?

What happens if I download The Happening and it turns out to be lady in the water do i get reinburst?

And what about a file that is above 50 GBs like the complete MASH*TV series. Some files can't be split up they need to be 100% to work. Do you have to wait until the 1st of the month to continue the download?

And what software will they use to monitor the www usages? Is it a software that goes beyond the patriot act? What fines will you pay if you go over the 50 GB limit? What about a movie file you downloaded and it's corrupt do you get your 4 GBs back in credit?

What about a frat house with 20 collage students, do the 19 of them pay more just because one of them downloads over the limit?

And what happens when many people can't pay the fines for going over the limit do they lose the www and cable, or just the www? And if they do lose the www won't the cable companies at the end suffer?

Now is the time for some nerd at Macintosh to create a different type of download signal that does not require Time Warner and others and offer unlimited usage and take over the market.

Anti.Hero
06-15-2008, 02:57 PM
Some basement nerd will save the day. They always do.


Fact.

Steve Perry
06-15-2008, 03:35 PM
What i think will happen is folks will start meeting at someones house or office and trade off software or movies. Like Kori downloads CS3 and 43 GBs of software, and I download the Star trek series and we put them on DVDs and trade with each other.

Cant_Be_Faded
06-15-2008, 03:45 PM
In either case, if they succeed in doing this, internet life will be a lot lamer.

ShoogarBear
06-15-2008, 03:46 PM
I already have the complete NSYNC collection so I am good. What i don't get is what about people with wireless, If the neighbor upstairs is using there signal do they get charged?


Good point. These bandwidth caps will hurt both Manny and his neighbor.

DizzG.
06-15-2008, 04:44 PM
:lol

pawe
06-16-2008, 03:26 AM
Now only the richers can afford the internets

RuffnReadyOzStyle
06-16-2008, 04:39 AM
Sheeit, we've had capped plans for years. I'm very surprised that ISPs in the US weren't the ones to come up with it!

MI21
06-16-2008, 11:36 AM
Sheeit, we've had capped plans for years. I'm very surprised that ISPs in the US weren't the ones to come up with it!

I'm very surprised.

I thought this was standard practice around the world!

J.T.
06-16-2008, 11:52 AM
1. Buy a wireless card
2. Steal signal from neighbor
3. ?????????
4. Profit

DarkReign
06-16-2008, 01:34 PM
I'll probably live a better, more fulfilled life with less internet use. Might make one go outside or find some other form of entertainment.

Actually, fuck that. They cap my internet, I cancel. That simple.

Chief
06-16-2008, 05:11 PM
I don't think they'll be able to do this .

Capped Internet is very lame, your preoccupied with seeing how much limit u have or to make sure u haven't gone over, and if u have gone over then how much. It completely sucks the fun out of watching porn.

midgetonadonkey
06-16-2008, 05:12 PM
I don't think they'll be able to do this .

Capped Internet is very lame, your preoccupied with seeing how much limit u have or to make sure u haven't gone over, and if u have gone over then how much. It completely sucks the fun out of watching porn.

No shit. And there is no way I can go back to looking at still porn pics.

lefty
06-16-2008, 05:23 PM
They want to do the same thing here in Canada

But we'll always find a way, don't worry guys :D

ShoogarBear
06-16-2008, 07:16 PM
Maybe getting one of those unidirectional Ethernet cables that get rid of the 0.9s and 0.1s will help.

Heath Ledger
06-16-2008, 07:20 PM
there are a lot of huge companies that stand to lose a lot i.e. Apple/Itunes, Netflix, Blockbuster to name a few. Surely they will fight this.