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Kori Ellis
08-22-2005, 01:37 PM
West contenders load up for San Antonio showdown
By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider

Can the San Antonio Spurs be sunk?

That's the question facing several teams in the Western Conference this offseason. With the Spurs having won three titles in seven years and having been serious contenders the other four seasons, there's little doubt the road to the title will go through the Alamo City at some point. The Spurs suffered no important losses in the offseason and largely stood pat, with Argentine center Fabricio Oberto their lone acquisition. Meanwhile, the other Western contenders have been furiously reshaping their rosters in an effort to match San Antonio's talent and cohesiveness.

How have they fared so far? Let's take a look at the changes the top contenders in the West have made and how those moves fit with their goals at the start of the offseason:


Dallas Mavericks

Goals: Improve the D; don't panic
The Mavericks fell short against Phoenix in the postseason, but they have to like how they closed the season. Once Avery Johnson took over, the Mavs went 16-2 and nearly snuck up on San Antonio to take the Southwest Division.

Dallas resisted the urge to make wholesale changes, which had seemed to be an annual event in Big D. The loss of Michael Finley as a luxury-tax amnesty casualty obviously hurts, but the Mavs can weather that blow. Marquis Daniels should bounce back after an injury-riddled 2004-05 campaign, and the Mavs added defensive specialist Doug Christie, who should team with Josh Howard to give Dallas one Ginobili-stopper on the court at all times.

Of course, Dallas would have received a higher grade if it had done more in the frontcourt. Shawn Bradley retired, and Dallas replaced him by outbidding New York for überstiff DeSagana Diop. (You read that correctly. There was a bidding war for DeSagana Diop.) Thus, the Mavs again are short of candidates to stop Tim Duncan in the post, which could be telling if the two clubs meet in the conference finals. Grade: C+


Denver Nuggets

Goals: Upgrade at shooting guard; add shooters
Denver lost Voshon Lenard on opening night last season and muddled through the season with DerMarr Johnson and Greg Buckner sharing Lenard's shooting-guard spot. However, Denver didn't get nearly enough offense from those two, and the Nuggets' lack of 3-point shooting was a problem all season -- especially in their five-game defeat against San Antonio in the first round, when the Nuggets shot 11-for-42 from downtown.

Unfortunately, Denver might be even worse off this season. Johnson and Buckner both are free agents, as is shooting specialist Wesley Person. Lenard is slated to return, but he's 32 and coming off a serious injury -- and he wasn't that good to begin with.

Worst of all, the Nuggets have struck out completely in the free-agent market. Shooters like Marko Jaric and Michael Finley have rebuffed Denver's advances, forcing GM Kiki Vandeweghe to sift through the Ronald Murrays and Eddie Houses of the world for help. First-round pick Julius Hodge is another option, but he's not a shooter.

Thus, the Nuggets might have to trade from their frontcourt excess (hello, Nene) in order to fill this need. Grade: D-

Houston Rockets

Goals: Get younger; get a power forward
The Rockets also closed the season strongly, but age loomed large heading into the offseason. Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady were the only rotation players under 30, necessitating a quick infusion of youth.

Houston made halting strides in that direction, signing forward Stromile Swift and drafting guard Luther Head, but its advanced age in the backcourt remains a red flag. Mike James is 30, Bob Sura is 32, David Wesley and Charlie Ward are 35, and Jon Barry is 36.

The Swift signing was huge in another respect -- it transformed Houston's greatest weakness (lame production at power forward) into a strength. Swift's 40-minute averages from the past three seasons suggest he'll average close to 20 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks per 40 minutes, numbers Juwan Howard seemingly took weeks to accumulate. Swift's man-to-man defense still needs work, especially if he's going to guard Duncan in the postseason, but his offense alone should add several games to the Rockets' win total. Grade: B+

Phoenix Suns

Goals: Keep the razzle-dazzle, but get tougher
Well, the Suns certainly got tougher.

Phoenix embarked on a quest to become a more physical, defensive-minded team after San Antonio conducted a layup drill on the Suns in the conference finals. Phoenix traded for Kurt Thomas and signed Brian Grant and Raja Bell. Thomas was one of the league's leading rebounders last season and should help out on the boards, while Bell is a hard-nosed defender and Grant a hustling, physical big man. Thomas and Grant also give Phoenix two players who potentially can guard Duncan in crunch time.

The question is whether these acquisitions destroyed everything that made the Suns good in the first place. It's hard to imagine the Suns running-and-gunning to 60 wins again with this roster. Up front, signing Grant was possible only because Phoenix let athletic big man Steven Hunter leave as a free agent, resulting in a serious downgrade at backup center. Trading for Thomas cost the Suns Quentin Richardson and a first-round pick, depriving Phoenix of a scorer on the wings. Meanwhile, Bell's addition was more than offset by the loss of Joe Johnson in free agency, meaning the Suns lost the two men most responsible for their league-leading 3-point barrage.

Moreover, the new guys don't seem to fit the Suns' playing style. It's hard to imagine Steve Nash having similar options on the break this season if he's waiting for Grant or Thomas to get over half court, much as it's difficult to picture Bell creating shots in transition or taking over the point when Nash checks out. Improving the defense was important, but one has to think the Suns overreacted to the conference finals loss to San Antonio. Grade: D+

Sacramento Kings

Goals: Replace C-Webb; build the bench
The Kings had more work to do than most teams after Seattle ran them off the floor in the first round of the playoffs. Fortunately for the Kings, they had an excellent offseason.

Armed only with their mid-level salary exception, they swooped in late to nab high-scoring forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He replaces the weak link in the starting lineup, Kenny Thomas, with a nightly 20-10 threat and gives Sacramento one of the game's best starting fives. Much like Detroit, the Kings are light on superstars but each starter is well above average at his position (Abdur-Rahim, Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic, Bonzi Wells and Mike Bibby).

Signing Abdur-Rahim also puts Sacramento in great shape to rebuild a depleted bench, with Thomas moving to the pine and Corliss Williamson sliding to small forward. Plus, the Kings acquired Jason Hart from Charlotte for a second-round pick and have two assets remaining, restricted free agents Maurice Evans and Darius Songaila. One or both could be converted into a quality backup shooting guard via a sign-and-trade deal. The Kings still could use a big center to lay down the law in the paint, but they've improved themselves as much as any Western contender. Grade: A-

Seattle SuperSonics

Goals: Keep the core; improve the frontcourt
Last season, Seattle matched up with San Antonio the best. The Sonics' physical style frustrated the Spurs and allowed Seattle to extend the series to six tough games despite Rashard Lewis' absence.

That's why the Spurs might be breathing a sigh of relief when they look at Seattle's free-agent departures. The Sonics entered this offseason with virtually everyone on the roster a free agent. Although Seattle kept the most important piece, guard Ray Allen, several other key components have scattered. Super sixth man Antonio Daniels signed with Washington, and forward Damien Wilkins signed an offer sheet with Minnesota. Reggie Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic and Ronald Murray don't have contracts, either. In fact, even the coach left, as Nate McMillan took Paul Allen's bucks to become the new warden in Portland.

Seattle also wanted to improve the frontcourt, which contributed size and fouls but not much scoring last season. On this front, the Sonics have been slightly more successful. They let Jerome James walk, but he was taking minutes away from better players anyway. They re-signed Vitaly Potapenko, and first-round pick Johan Petro should exceed James' output. But losing Daniels in particular was an enormous blow -- Seattle's weak response was signing Rick Brunson -- and as a result the Sonics are very likely to fall off the pace in the West this coming season. Grade: C-

John Hollinger, author of "Pro Basketball Forecast 2005-06," writes for ESPN Insider.

spurster
08-22-2005, 01:51 PM
Meanwhile, the other Western contenders have been furiously reshaping their rosters in an effort to match San Antonio's talent and cohesiveness.
So which teams are notably absent in this list?

Kip Fanatic
08-22-2005, 02:10 PM
I don't see any team dethroning the Spurs unless injuries plague the Spurs

gospursgojas
08-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Kurt Thomas, and Brian Grant stopping TD. Did Phoenix not watch the Spurs' 99 playoff runs, he dominated them.

1Parker1
08-22-2005, 02:15 PM
One has to think the Suns overreacted to the conference finals loss to San Antonio.

:tu couldn't agree more.

marcus
08-22-2005, 02:16 PM
I don't see any team dethroning the Spurs unless injuries plague the Spurs

lol, injuries. The spurs has probably the deepest team in the league.

Kip Fanatic
08-22-2005, 02:19 PM
lol, injuries. The spurs has probably the deepest team in the league.

So if TD gets hurt, or Manu, or TP the Spurs will make it to the Finals? Riiiiight! Oh yeah, its the Spurs have not has the deepest team.

gospursgojas
08-22-2005, 02:21 PM
lol, injuries. The spurs has probably the deepest team in the league.

The spurs and injuries are nothing to lol about :spin

Jdspur20
08-22-2005, 02:28 PM
ESPN insider: can ESPN write an article worth a shit?

Ginofan
08-22-2005, 02:31 PM
I think it's way too early to know how the season is going to go and who is going to be able to dethrone the Spurs. I do know that we have a big ass target on us and that everyone and their mother will be gunning for the games against us.

1Parker1
08-22-2005, 02:35 PM
I think it's way too early to know how the season is going to go and who is going to be able to dethrone the Spurs. I do know that we have a big ass target on us and that everyone and their mother will be gunning for the games against us.

Very true, but even last season, I think a lot of teams did that cuz they knew we were championship material.

leemajors
08-22-2005, 03:04 PM
i like there being "ginobili stoppers" on the mavs. rofl

GoSpurs21
08-22-2005, 03:26 PM
from odds on favorites to not even contenders - the t-pups have fallen far

smeagol
08-22-2005, 03:39 PM
Oh yeah, its the Spurs have not has the deepest team.

Kippy boy, English is not everybody's first language in this forum.

picnroll
08-22-2005, 03:44 PM
Swift's 40-minute averages from the past three seasons suggest he'll average close to 20 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks per 40 minutes,
wtf

spurschick
08-22-2005, 03:50 PM
The Spurs won the championship with Tim having played through the summer, Manu having played non-stop for the past 3 years, a brand new center (Nazr), a cold streak (Barry), a rookie backup PG, a bad back (Devin), knee tendonitis (TP), bad ankles (TD), and Rasho.

They're coming back this season with rest, experience and new blood. Bring it on.

SenorSpur
08-22-2005, 03:54 PM
Doug Christie and Josh Howard (Mavs) as Ginobili-stoppers?

Don't make me laugh.

:lol

genghisrex
08-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Swift's 40-minute averages from the past three seasons suggest he'll average close to 20 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks per 40 minutesThe averages also suggest that if Swift actually played 40 minutes a night he'd foul out nearly every game. Swift is a nice pick-up, but there's a reason he's hovered around 20 minutes a game for his career.

spurs_fan_in_exile
08-22-2005, 04:11 PM
Who wrote this piece of garbage? For starters, no one in the entire vaunted Pistons roster was a "Ginobili stopper" and somehow Josh Howard and an aging, oft injured Doug Christie are the men for the job? They are good defenders, but that's going a tad too far. And that analysis of the Swift pickup is way off base. His numbers from the previous three seasons suggest a 20-10-3 because he played on a team with a relatively wide open style, a good PG, and no true superstars. He moved to a team with no reliable PG that probably ran the least of any team last year. He's an upgrade at the power forward for them, no doubt, but I just don't see how anyone on that team not named Yao or McGrady is even going to get enough touches to come close to averaging 20 pts. per 40 minutes.

And the Kings analysis? While I agree that they had a pretty good offseason, esp. considering that they didn't have a ton to spend, I would hesitate to refer to that starting five as one of the best in the league. SAR and Bibby are pretty good, but the other three are soft, soft, soft.

leemajors
08-22-2005, 04:13 PM
i wouldn't call brad miller soft.

BillsCarnage
08-22-2005, 04:22 PM
The Suns and Rockets will be the Spurs main competition in the WC. Kings and Mavs below them.

50 cent
08-22-2005, 05:16 PM
The Suns are on the Mavs/Sac/Den now that they lost JJ.

Oscar DeLa
08-22-2005, 05:26 PM
i wouldn't call brad miller soft.


I would! In the 2004 campaign, towards the end of the regular season when duncan was out. Remember the Sacramento game? We had just busted out our motion offense cuz Duncan was out for a while. Brad Miller got fouled in the 4th quarter and he looked like he was about to cry like the little pussy that he is. His eyebrows were dropping downward and his mouth was quivering and the little pussy was about to cry. No bullshit. I'd call that soft.

BillsCarnage
08-22-2005, 05:38 PM
The Suns are on the Mavs/Sac/Den now that they lost JJ.

JoJo was not the greatest player in the world. He was a direct success of the system. It will be SG by committe and JJax/Bell will do fine. Bobo can shoot the ball fine, he's just not a PG like they want him to be.

sprrs
08-22-2005, 06:20 PM
The Spurs won the championship with Tim having played through the summer, Manu having played non-stop for the past 3 years, a brand new center (Nazr), a cold streak (Barry), a rookie backup PG, a bad back (Devin), knee tendonitis (TP), bad ankles (TD), and Rasho.

They're coming back this season with rest, experience and new blood. Bring it on.

Amen

SenorSpur
08-22-2005, 06:35 PM
The Spurs won the championship with Tim having played through the summer, Manu having played non-stop for the past 3 years, a brand new center (Nazr), a cold streak (Barry), a rookie backup PG, a bad back (Devin), knee tendonitis (TP), bad ankles (TD), and Rasho.

They're coming back this season with rest, experience and new blood. Bring it on.

Amen again.

Aggie Hoopsfan
08-22-2005, 06:39 PM
The only team in the West that will challenge SA is the Rockets.

Now, I certainly would argue that Miami, Detroit, and Indy look ready to take the silver and black challenge.

BillsCarnage
08-22-2005, 06:42 PM
The Spurs won the championship with Tim having played through the summer, Manu having played non-stop for the past 3 years, a brand new center (Nazr), a cold streak (Barry), a rookie backup PG, a bad back (Devin), knee tendonitis (TP), bad ankles (TD), and Rasho.

They're coming back this season with rest, experience and new blood. Bring it on.

Don't forget what seems to be their biggest foe... Apathy.

spurschick
08-22-2005, 06:58 PM
Don't forget what seems to be their biggest foe... Apathy.

Apathy, thy name is championship.


http://www.spurschick.com/TD11_295_050623.jpg

milkyway21
08-23-2005, 12:55 AM
Mavs with a C+ grade:rolleyes. hey, mouse :D

i think Rockets is going to be a contender esp if Spree signs with Houston instead of Detroit.

so where are the Wolves and Lakers?

ChumpDumper
08-23-2005, 01:23 AM
Don't forget what seems to be their biggest foe... Apathy.That's got to be the weakest smack brought in here in quite some time. No one gets three championships in that amount of time by not caring. If you mean to say you think the Spurs are apathetic because they didn't turn over most of their roster like the Suns -- they've already done that and now they have the players they want with a few minor exceptions.

On the other hand, had they traded away Tony Parker for Boris Diaw....

BillsCarnage
08-23-2005, 11:55 AM
That's got to be the weakest smack brought in here in quite some time. No one gets three championships in that amount of time by not caring. If you mean to say you think the Spurs are apathetic because they didn't turn over most of their roster like the Suns -- they've already done that and now they have the players they want with a few minor exceptions.

On the other hand, had they traded away Tony Parker for Boris Diaw....


If they're so good how come they can't seem to win back-to-back?

BadlyDrawnBoy
08-23-2005, 12:16 PM
If they're so good how come they can't seem to win back-to-back?

Try Tim being injured in 2000.

Try no David, no Jax, no Speedy in 2004. We had Hedo for gods sake!

This year we return our core, we added a guy who will help at the C spot. We'll have Nazr for a full year, and the offseason is not even done.

Hey Bills, can your team even have a diss thrown at them like this: How come they can't seem to win back-to-back?

You'd do what Bob Saget did in Half Baked just to get a dis like that.

Three titles in 7 years, don't fuck with that.

Mark in Austin
08-23-2005, 12:19 PM
If they're so good how come they can't seem to win back-to-back?

:lol are you kidding me? Back to the minors, meat. Weak shit like that has no place in the big show.

ChumpDumper
08-23-2005, 04:42 PM
If they're so good how come they can't seem to win back-to-back?How come the Suns can't win at all?

MiNuS
08-23-2005, 05:03 PM
One has to think the Suns overreacted to the conference finals loss to San Antonio.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies2/smitu.bmp couldn't agree more.
a pig with lipstick is still a pig no matter what!

and that goes for Miami too.


D'Antoni looks like "BTK"

Obstructed_View
08-24-2005, 05:43 AM
i wouldn't call brad miller soft.
You obviously didn't see Ray Allen put in a layup over him to knock the Kings out of the playoffs. Ray barely even jumped.

Oscar DeLa
08-24-2005, 03:01 PM
I don't know what it is but all the Lakers have to do is FREE SLAVA!

HB22inSA
08-24-2005, 08:32 PM
The Spurs won the championship with Tim having played through the summer, Manu having played non-stop for the past 3 years, a brand new center (Nazr), a cold streak (Barry), a rookie backup PG, a bad back (Devin), knee tendonitis (TP), bad ankles (TD), and Rasho.

They're coming back this season with rest, experience and new blood. Bring it on.

Yeah, it's almost scary.

Remember how they started 50-15 before Duncan went down? That might be repeated and surpassed in the regular season.

Completely healthy I see them winning 63 games this year, with a smooth ride through the playoffs.

Again, this team completely healthy is untouchable.

SenorSpur
08-24-2005, 09:03 PM
If they're so good how come they can't seem to win back-to-back?

....and exactly how many titles have the Suns won? That's what I thought. Therefore, your junior high questions have no merit.

If your "punk ass" team ever breaks through and wins (not!), then you'll be in a position to ask that question. Until then, eat SHIT and back the f*ck up!