Lebron, MVP and DPOY? Finest season ever? [Archive]

ChrisRichards

01-24-2010, 12:49 AM

This is not an overreaction thread about his game winning block on Kevin Durant. Mind you he has been domainating defensively on clutch situations (blocked Pau Gasol's attempt too a few nights ago) Also, nevermind the fact that he had another typical night (37 pts, 12 asts, 9 rebs) but he's just beasting it right now. He's having one of the best PER in league history (better than his MVP season!) and he's leading his team to monumental wins despite not having 3 key role players (Delonte West, Mo Williams and Jamario Moon) so far.

I dont think there has been a unanimous Best Player/MVP in the league this decade. And what's surreal is that Lebron was 2nd in DPOY votes last year, so I wont be surprise if he actually wins the DPOY award too this year. His competitions are Dwight (who BTW has'nt been very effective this year, defensively) and Gerald Wallace. But Wallace unfortunately will not get a lot of votes due to star power.

This season, Bron could win MVP,DPOY and possibly win the title and NBA Finals MVP too. (Record breaking PER could be in consideration as well)

mystargtr34

01-24-2010, 12:51 AM

He has had alot of highlight reel blocks and defensive plays. But on a consistent basis, there are more deserving players.

ChrisRichards

01-24-2010, 12:53 AM

He has had alot of highlight reel blocks and defensive plays. But on a consistent basis, there are more deserving players.
I wont disagree. IMO Wallace and Duncan should get it. but then again, Bron is ESPN's boytoy. he gets the spotlight. he's the leagues Golden Child. Media loves the kid.

All tangibles are there.

23LeBronJames23

01-24-2010, 12:54 AM

MVP, DPOY and a Ring. how about a Highest PPG too?

Can you imagine that?

ChrisRichards

01-24-2010, 12:58 AM

MVP, DPOY and a Ring. how about a Highest PPG too?

Can you imagine that?
Nah, Lebron has never been that type of player. Id imagine he'd end up with a 30 ppg, 8 rebs, 7 apg 50% fg.

JamStone

01-24-2010, 01:29 AM

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/AJInferno/1252397677216.png

TinTin

01-24-2010, 01:54 AM

woah, didn't know moon was an integral roleplayer on that team

redzero

01-24-2010, 01:57 AM

LeBron just being more efficient than Kobe Bryant ever was. No surprises here.

JoeTait75

01-24-2010, 02:01 AM

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/AJInferno/1252397677216.png

He's a true great, Jam. If he wins MVP every year it's hard to argue.

namlook

01-24-2010, 02:05 AM

LeBron just being more efficient than Kobe Bryant ever was. No surprises here.

Let LJ be more efficient while Kobe keeps collecting and polishing his rings. :king

JoeTait75

01-24-2010, 02:09 AM

Let LJ be more efficient while Kobe keeps collecting and polishing his rings. :king

Kobe as an 18-year old rookie on the 2003-04 Cavaliers. Go.

Trainwreck2100

01-24-2010, 02:16 AM

Kobe as an 18-year old rookie on the 2003-04 Cavaliers. Go.

He would have just forced a trade. Stop.

JoeTait75

01-24-2010, 02:17 AM

He would have just forced a trade. Stop.

Thank you.

Def Rowe

01-24-2010, 02:19 AM

He would have just forced a trade. Stop.

And thank God for that. :lobt2:

23LeBronJames23

01-24-2010, 02:22 AM

He's a true great, Jam. If he wins MVP every year it's hard to argue.

Whos troll is JamStone?

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 02:35 AM

I dont think there has been a unanimous Best Player/MVP in the league this decade.

Probably cuz this decade practically just started. :rolleyes

redzero

01-24-2010, 02:40 AM

Let LJ be more efficient while Kobe keeps collecting and polishing his rings. :king

Which doesn't mean anything, because Kobe has the better teammates.

Kevin Durant 35

01-24-2010, 02:41 AM

Probably cuz this decade practically just started. :rolleyes

:lol

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:05 AM

Lebron is having the best season in the history of basketball now?

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:08 AM

Which doesn't mean anything, because Kobe has the better teammates.

I'll bet it means something to Lebron. We all saw how upset he was when the Magic steamrolled his team that won 66 games.

Tell Bill Russell his rings don't mean anything. Wilt put up flashy stats and Russell took home the rings. But according to your logic Russell's rings don't mean anything because he had better players than Wilt did. LOL.

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 03:11 AM

Which doesn't mean anything, because Kobe has the better teammates.

Yah...and those rings Magic has dont mean anything either cuz he had teammates. Same with Larry Bird....those rings dont count too.

redzero

01-24-2010, 03:12 AM

Tell that to Bill Russell. Wilt put up flashy stats and Russell took home the rings. But yeah, Russell's rings don't mean anything because he had better players than Wilt did. LOL.

No, you're talking shit about Kobe getting the rings even though he piggybacked shack for three of them and didn't play nearly as well as LeBron did in the playoffs for the fouth.

mavs>spurs2

01-24-2010, 03:13 AM

Chieflion

01-24-2010, 03:15 AM

Now I'll admit I haven't watched too many Cavs games this year, but unless his defense has improved EXPONENTIALLY in the past year, he's just an above average defensive player with some nice highlight reel plays. No where near a lock down defender, sorry. Great complete overall player though. A future top 10 all time.
If I remember correctly, he ranked 2nd in DPOY rankings to Dwight Howard last season and his opponent PER was probably in single digits (LeBron James). He kept his opposing player to many unproductive nights. He slacked off this season but is still a top defensive player.

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:16 AM

No, you're talking shit about Kobe getting the rings even though he piggybacked shack for three of them and didn't play nearly as well as LeBron did in the playoffs for the fouth.

Shaq couldn't win a ring without a top 5 player. Kobe won with Gasol who will never sniff an all-NBA first team. The offense ran through Shaq when he played with Kobe because he was a physical mismatch for everyone, but when the game was on the line and it mattered most Shaq was virtually useless and it was always Kobe who closed the games out. Shaq had to piggyback Kobe to get the wins.

redzero

01-24-2010, 03:17 AM

Shaq couldn't win a ring without a top 5 player. Kobe won with Gasol who will never sniff an all-NBA first team.

Who performed better in the playoffs last year: Kobe or LeBron?

mavs>spurs2

01-24-2010, 03:20 AM

If I remember correctly, he ranked 2nd in DPOY rankings to Dwight Howard last season and his opponent PER was probably in single digits (LeBron James). He kept his opposing player to many unproductive nights. He slacked off this season but is still a top defensive player.

But enough to warrant DPOY? I mean he's a better perimeter defender than guys like Battier? I just don't buy it. No one has enough energy to expend to play that kind of lockdown defense on one end, and be a 30ppg and 8 assist distributor on the other. In no way am I knocking Lebron, but I don't think he deserves DPOY. MVP + DPOY would just be another ESPN dream dick sucking fest.

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:22 AM

Who performed better in the playoffs last year: Kobe or LeBron?

The player that led his team to a championship. Numbers don't mean anything if wins are not attached to them. Lebron's team won 66 games in the regular season. He had the talent around him to win more regular season games than any other team, so there are no "I didn't have enough good players" excuses when you lose in the playoffs.

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 03:26 AM

If we gave Lebron teammates like Wade and Carmelo Anthony how would you think he would do?

Bronze medal maybe? LOL

redzero

01-24-2010, 03:26 AM

The player that led his team to a championship. Numbers don't mean anything if wins are not attached to them. Lebron's team won 66 games in the regular season. He had the talent around him to win more regular season games than anyone else so there are no "I didn't have enough good players" excuses when you lose in the playoffs.

I love when people say this as if LeBron's teammates actually showed up in the playoffs.

LeBron obviously play better than Kobe did in the playoffs, but Kobe homers think that having Gasol and Bynum to stop Howard makes Bryant a better player.

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 03:28 AM

I love when people say this as if LeBron's teammates actually showed up in the playoffs.

LeBron obviously play better than Kobe did in the playoffs, but Kobe homers think that having Gasol and Bynum to stop Howard makes Bryant a better player.

hmm...so if Lebron had better teammates, he would get a championship right? Then after the championship, Lebron haters can say "Lebron coudnt win without better teammates"....see what i did there?

Chieflion

01-24-2010, 03:30 AM

If we gave Lebron teammates like Wade and Carmelo Anthony how would you think he would do?

Bronze medal maybe? LOL
Revisionist history at its best. They never got enough minutes to make their impact felt. And they were just players who just finished their 1st season in the NBA. Plus, it was not the only time the USA team failed to get gold in international games before the Olympic games.

redzero

01-24-2010, 03:32 AM

hmm...so if Lebron had better teammates, he would get a championship right? Then after the championship, Lebron haters can say "Lebron coudnt win without better teammates"....see what i did there?

I'm not hating on Kobe. The fact is that Kobe's team matched with Orlando better than LeBron's did, regardless of how well either of them played. Kobe didn't do anything in that Orlando series better than LeBron did, outside of putting whoever was guarding him in foul trouble.

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 03:35 AM

Revisionist history at its best. They never got enough minutes to make their impact felt. And they were just players who just finished their 1st season in the NBA. Plus, it was not the only time the USA team failed to get gold in international games before the Olympic games.

Whats your excuses for the 2006 Fiba team?

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 03:38 AM

I'm not hating on Kobe. The fact is that Kobe's team matched with Orlando better than LeBron's did, regardless of how well either of them played. Kobe didn't do anything in that Orlando series better than LeBron did, outside of putting whoever was guarding him in foul trouble.

im not hating on Lebron either...thats why i wasnt going to post on this thread until i see someone downgrading Kobes accomplishments because "he has better teamates"...which is dumb cuz thats what you need to win a championship.

YES, Lebron needs better teammates, but in NO WAY is his teamates a bunch of scrubs either.

redzero

01-24-2010, 03:46 AM

im not hating on Lebron either...thats why i wasnt going to post on this thread until i see someone downgrading Kobes accomplishments because "he has better teamates"...which is dumb cuz thats what you need to win a championship.

YES, Lebron needs better teammates, but in NO WAY is his teamates a bunch of scrubs either.

Kobe and LeBron both did what they had to do in the playoffs. I just take exception to the people who put Kobe higher or brag about championships when the situation was completely out of LeBron's hands. LeBron's teammates did play well in the regular season, but it was all LeBron, all the time in the playoffs.

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:48 AM

mavs>spurs2

01-24-2010, 03:48 AM

namlook

01-24-2010, 03:50 AM

Kobe and LeBron both did what they had to do in the playoffs. I just take exception to the people who put Kobe higher or brag about championships when the situation was completely out of LeBron's hands. LeBron's teammates did play well in the regular season, but it was all LeBron, all the time in the playoffs.

And maybe that was part of the problem!

Maybe Lebron was trying to do too much in the playoffs vs the regular season. If you are dominating the ball too much your teammates end up sitting around watching and it's no longer a team game.

You need to play a team game to win and that means allowing your teammates to have the ball and make plays too. And that doesn't mean just passing to them when they have an open shot. Being a team player is not just passing to guys when you draw a double team, it's passing to them when you don't have one too. It means letting them control the ball and the pace of the game at times.

The ball always seemed to be in Lebron's hands each time down the floor. Let some of those guys make some plays while you draw a defender away from them. So what if it means your stats go down a little. Kobe has learned this. He put up 35 PPG one year and was doing too much. Some players need to establish a rhythm to play well and that means getting touches and moving the ball around to them, not just Lebron making plays on his own and not just passing to them when Lebron draws a double team.

Killakobe81

01-24-2010, 04:22 AM

Now I'll admit I haven't watched too many Cavs games this year, but unless his defense has improved EXPONENTIALLY in the past year, he's just an above average defensive player with some nice highlight reel plays. No where near a lock down defender, sorry. Great complete overall player though. A future top 10 all time.

A great PER doesnt mean squat and I do think he has the potential to someday pass MJ but finest season ever?
You youngsters dont know shit ...

Killakobe81

01-24-2010, 04:24 AM

And maybe that was part of the problem!

Maybe Lebron was trying to do too much in the playoffs vs the regular season. If you are dominating the ball too much your teammates end up sitting around watching and it's no longer a team game.

You need to play a team game to win and that means allowing your teammates to have the ball and make plays too. And that doesn't mean just passing to them when they have an open shot. Being a team player is not just passing to guys when you draw a double team, it's passing to them when you don't have one too. It means letting them control the ball and the pace of the game at times.

The ball always seemed to be in Lebron's hands each time down the floor. Let some of those guys make some plays while you draw a defender away from them. So what if it means your stats go down a little. Kobe has learned this. He put up 35 PPG one year and was doing too much. Some players need to establish a rhythm to play well and that means getting touches and moving the ball around to them, not just Lebron making plays on his own and not just passing to them when Lebron draws a double team.

Efficent or not if Kobe did this ^ yall would crucify him ... or just say it is mike Brown's fault ...

DAF86

01-24-2010, 05:02 AM

Lebron needs better teammates to win a championship because he's not good enough to win without having a lot of good players around him. This is no different than all the other great players in NBA history.

True, but he probably needs less talent around him to win it all than most great players.

DAF86

01-24-2010, 05:05 AM

And maybe that was part of the problem!

Maybe Lebron was trying to do too much in the playoffs vs the regular season. If you are dominating the ball too much your teammates end up sitting around watching and it's no longer a team game.

You need to play a team game to win and that means allowing your teammates to have the ball and make plays too. And that doesn't mean just passing to them when they have an open shot. Being a team player is not just passing to guys when you draw a double team, it's passing to them when you don't have one too. It means letting them control the ball and the pace of the game at times.

The ball always seemed to be in Lebron's hands each time down the floor. Let some of those guys make some plays while you draw a defender away from them. So what if it means your stats go down a little. Kobe has learned this. He put up 35 PPG one year and was doing too much. Some players need to establish a rhythm to play well and that means getting touches and moving the ball around to them, not just Lebron making plays on his own and not just passing to them when Lebron draws a double team.

Lebron does that more than most superstars, a lot more than Kobe for sure.

Ghazi

01-24-2010, 10:03 AM

damn I didntknow Bron was shooting 50.9% on the year

and a ridiculous 1.49 PPS

rhyputa

01-24-2010, 10:07 AM

I say stop the madness

Sportstudi

01-24-2010, 10:25 AM

Lebron is having the best season in the history of basketball now?

He's having a great season, no doubt about that. But greatest season ever? For instance I remember Jordan putting up 32.5 ppg/8 rpg/8 apg and 2.9 SPG in 1988/89.

BRHornet45

01-24-2010, 10:27 AM

son this IS an overreaction ... please stop taking everything those tools on ESPN tell you so serious.

there are AT LEAST 6-8 other players WAY MORE deserving than Lebron.

DxB

01-24-2010, 10:38 AM

Let LJ be more efficient while Kobe keeps collecting and polishing his rings. :king

Rings? Like plural? We'll see when he wins his second.

rhyputa

01-24-2010, 10:40 AM

son this IS an overreaction ... please stop taking everything those tools on ESPN tell you so serious.

there are AT LEAST 6-8 other players WAY MORE deserving than Lebron.

Son you're reasonable this time, but you shall name those 6-8 guys then you'll be more reasonable :toast

Cane

01-24-2010, 10:41 AM

Lebron's easily the best player in the league for at least the past two seasons now so he's got a lock for the MVP.

As for DPOY he's probably got a decent chance especially if he finished second last year. The defending DPOY, Dwight Howard, has been having a pretty lackluster season compared to last year. James is also a pretty good help defender and can make highlight reel blocks as seen last night and throughout the season. However the DPOY, more than almost any other NBA award, can be seen as a a joke since Duncan's never won one.

My Fault

01-24-2010, 10:41 AM

Lebron is performing just as he did in the Orlando series which itself was amazing.

JoeTait75

01-24-2010, 10:47 AM

there are AT LEAST 6-8 other players WAY MORE deserving than Lebron.

Son, let's see the names of those 6-8 players, please.

TheMACHINE

01-24-2010, 10:55 AM

True, but he probably needs less talent around him to win it all than most great players.

Lebron does that more than most superstars, a lot more than Kobe for sure.

We'll never know. Maybe the first time he wins a ring comes with Wade as his sidekick?

Win one...then we'll compare his teamates. Should we crucify Duncan cuz he had great teammates?

BRHornet45

01-24-2010, 10:57 AM

Son you're reasonable this time, but you shall name those 6-8 guys then you'll be more reasonable :toast

son for DPOY I think you have to strongly consider ... Wade, Howard, Paul, Battier, Artest, Rondo, and yes even Birdman Anderson. Am I leaving anyone out?

Chieflion

01-24-2010, 10:59 AM

son for DPOY I think you have to strongly consider ... Wade, Howard, Paul, Battier, Artest, Rondo, and yes even Birdman Anderson. Am I leaving anyone out?
Gerald Wallace.

Ghazi

01-24-2010, 11:39 AM

son for DPOY I think you have to strongly consider ... Wade, Howard, Paul, Battier, Artest, Rondo, and yes even Birdman Anderson. Am I leaving anyone out?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Cane

01-24-2010, 11:41 AM

son for DPOY I think you have to strongly consider ... Wade, Howard, Paul, Battier, Artest, Rondo, and yes even Birdman Anderson. Am I leaving anyone out?

Then it definitely goes to Lebron James. :hat

rhyputa

01-24-2010, 11:50 AM

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Don't be so sensitive, he meant Paul Pierce:lmao:lmao:lmao

ffadicted

01-24-2010, 12:52 PM

MVP, sure. DPOY.... get the fuck out of here and stop caressing LeCrab's balls like the media does

namlook

01-24-2010, 02:45 PM

The media should have never been allowed to vote for DPOY. They don't really know who plays the best defense. The head coaches should be the ones that vote for DPOY. They already vote for the all-defense teams.

Allanon

01-24-2010, 04:29 PM

Consolation prizes.

kingmalaki

01-25-2010, 02:18 PM

Yeah there are better defenders than Bron, but none of those worthy folks will ever make the All D 1st team over him or Kobe (guys like Battier for example), so why would anyone expect them to win DPOY?

As far as the rings, silly argument unless you think Kobe wins s title with any team LeBron has ever been on.

Lars

01-25-2010, 08:15 PM

Lebron as DPOY is a fucking travesty. Ive never seen a lazier defender in my life. So many better choices than him.

jdev82

01-26-2010, 12:51 AM

why does the media think that all great offensive players are great defenders? d wade is lazy and plays the passing lanes, howard is a poor single coverage defender because he is dumber than a toasted bagel, lebron is a poor defender, kobe takes too many risks and is a terrible close out defender, chris paul is one of the worst in the game and RAJON RONDO for some reason is getting DPOY mentions. does anyone watch him play on d? did anyone watch him against rose last year? one of the worst defensive performances ive ever seen period.