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Amuseddaysleeper
04-10-2009, 04:06 PM
After seeing how many times Ian's injury has been misdiagnosed coupled with Manu returning only to have his stress reaction turn into a fracture, I am beginning to wonder what is up with the medical staff of the team.
Maybe Manu was destined to have a stress fracture anyway, but considering Pop constantly saying "we were told he was okay to return" in regards to Ginobili and Ian being put out of action for the entire year due to what started off as a sprain ankle leaves me to have doubts about who takes care of this team.
Thoughts?
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 04:17 PM
Ha.
The Truth #6
04-10-2009, 04:23 PM
I don't see how we could ever have the knowledge to rate the treatment they receive. I'm sure there are some conspiracy theories about Holt being too cheap to pay for MRIs waiting to develop.
After seeing how many times Ian's injury has been misdiagnosed coupled with Manu returning only to have his stress reaction turn into a fracture, I am beginning to wonder what is up with the medical staff of the team.
Maybe Manu was destined to have a stress fracture anyway, but considering Pop constantly saying "we were told he was okay to return" in regards to Ginobili and Ian being put out of action for the entire year due to what started off as a sprain ankle leaves me to have doubts about who takes care of this team.
Thoughts?
good point...never noticed this fact before. maybe we should consider sacking them all
I don't see how we could ever have the knowledge to rate the treatment they receive.
the SA medical staff didn't find what an other doctor in LA was able to find. and they didn't decide to ask this LA specialist before a long time.
that's enough to say they made a mistake.
Manu this year and Tony last year have came back from injuries without many success (obviously with more damage for manu). both time, it seems they hadn't evaluate the injuries very well.
it's enough for me to say that the question about their competence deserves to be asked.
STX_21
04-10-2009, 04:35 PM
I don't see how we could ever have the knowledge to rate the treatment they receive. I'm sure there are some conspiracy theories about Holt being too cheap to pay for MRIs waiting to develop.
Whether we could rate the treatment they receive or not is irrelevant. The FACT is, injuries affect the game drastically. If Ginobili and Ian were going to be out of business for the year so be it, but the right diagnosis would have given the staff a chance to compensate for their absence. It might have affected what we did before the trade deadline. In any case, we now have about two weeks to come up with a No-Ginobili plan and that is because of WRONG DIAGNOSIS. Pop believed he would have Ginobili based on the information given to him from the Medical staff. We've had the same issue with wrong information with Ian. Someone needs to look into this.
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 04:38 PM
The SpursTalk Medical Review Board has spoken.
The SpursTalk Medical Review Board has spoken.
what's so unsubstantiated about the claims?
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 04:48 PM
what's so unsubstantiated about the claims?I will never refute the claims of the SpursTalk Medical Review Board.
Fabbs
04-10-2009, 05:02 PM
Ha.
Didn't you mean Ba?
As in a sheep Baaaah baaa baaah.
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Look, another member of the SpursTalk Medical Review Board has graced us with his learned opinion.
LakerHater
04-10-2009, 05:06 PM
this topic was brought up on another post, with someone gettin' butt-hurt & callin' posters names... I'll try & find it!!
It makes me laugh, I still kinda giggle when I browse the boards!!!
porscha
04-10-2009, 05:13 PM
how hard is it to get a second opinion from other doctors?
duncan228
04-10-2009, 05:18 PM
I've always assumed that teams have top-notch medical care in place. I hope mistakes aren't being made. And I sure hope if some have been made that they learn from it and don't miss anything with Duncan.
EricB
04-10-2009, 05:27 PM
Now the spurstalk geniuses have gone from coaches to doctors.
Biggems
04-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Is it our medical staff, or is it all the success we have had over this decade has allowed us to play so many more games......and playoff games are even more grueling than the regular season. Throw in the Olympics and World Championships and our key players have been playing pretty much year around for a decade.
I am sorry, but while I think the medical staff could possibly be a bit better, I cannot give them the Lion's share of the blame. Success, stagnant rosters, playing for their countries, and age have way more to do with it.
Amuseddaysleeper
04-10-2009, 05:31 PM
I'm not saying the medical staff cost us a championship, all I'm saying is that the medical staff was bit behind the 8 ball and that's a bit worrisome.
LakerHater
04-10-2009, 05:34 PM
Got it, its on this page:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3265183#post3265183
exstatic
04-10-2009, 05:42 PM
what's so unsubstantiated about the claims?
The fact that they're not substantiated?
The fact that they're not substantiated?
Ian Mahinmi wasn't misdiagnosed?
Cherry
04-10-2009, 05:47 PM
how hard is it to get a second opinion from other doctors?
They did! according to Manu, the results will come back in a few days.
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Ian Mahinmi wasn't misdiagnosed?They couldn't find the bone chip. It never showed up on any scan. Exploratory surgery was the last option, and the last option was taken last.
porscha
04-10-2009, 05:53 PM
They did! according to Manu, the results will come back in a few days.
thanks Cherry
glad they did, where did you see that?
exstatic
04-10-2009, 05:55 PM
They couldn't find the bone chip. It never showed up on any scan. Exploratory surgery was the last option, and the last option was taken last.
That.
They couldn't find the bone chip. It never showed up on any scan. Exploratory surgery was the last option, and the last option was taken last.
Date of injury: August 4th, 2008
Date of Surgery: January 30, 2009
click (http://http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/ian_mahinmi_surgery_090131.html?rss=true)
that's one hell of a sprained ankle :rolleyes
Their solution the entire time was "rest."
I'm not even making a comment on the staff, but the claims ARE substantiated.
I, for one, blame the Janitorial Staff.
How can we represent ourselves as a championship caliber organization when we are getting such shoddy performances on the cans, dumpsters, and pits of the AT&T Center, not to mention the funk that comes from the bathrooms at the practice facility.
You can't expect these athletes to have the Eye of the Tiger if their underwear and socks aren't Febreeze Fresh!
exstatic
04-10-2009, 05:57 PM
Date of injury: August 4th, 2008
Date of Surgery: January 30, 2009
click (http://http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/ian_mahinmi_surgery_090131.html?rss=true)
that's one hell of a sprained ankle :rolleyes
Their solution the entire time was "rest."
I'm not even making a comment on the staff, but the claims ARE substantiated.
So, at what point should they have operated?
exstatic
04-10-2009, 05:58 PM
I, for one, blame the Janitorial Staff.
How can we represent ourselves as a championship caliber organization when we are getting such shoddy performances on the cans, dumpsters, and pits of the AT&T Center, not to mention the funk that comes from the bathrooms at the practice facility.
You can't expect these athletes to have the Eye of the Tiger if their underwear and socks aren't Febreeze Fresh!
:lmao Dex, FTW
So, at what point should they have operated?
I'm not even making a comment on the staff, but the claims ARE substantiated.
DUNCANownsKOBE2
04-10-2009, 06:05 PM
Ha you fucks!!!
Better training staff, fagot!!!
The training staff is the Suns one advantage they've always had over SA so forgive me for acting like Spork Killer
exstatic
04-10-2009, 06:05 PM
I'm not even making a comment on the staff, but the claims ARE substantiated.
You most certainly ARE fucking commenting on the staff. Without a shred of medical knowledge, you're saying that the claims of the OP, also not a doctor, have merit.
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:07 PM
To substantiate the claim, you need to give your expert opinion on when the surgery should have taken place. Keep in mind that the surgery could well have been considered season-ending no matter when it was performed.
Muser
04-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Ha you fucks!!!
Better training staff, fagot!!!
The training staff is the Suns one advantage they've always had over SA so forgive me for acting like Spork Killer
Wow, the Suns really have been destroyed.
exstatic
04-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Ha you fucks!!!
Better training staff, fagot!!!
The training staff is the Suns one advantage they've always had over SA so forgive me for acting like Spork Killer
The training staff, and the medical staff are two different things, but I wouldn't necessarily expect retarded Suns fan to see the clear distinction.
Muser
04-10-2009, 06:08 PM
The training staff, and the medical staff are two different things, but I wouldn't necessarily expect retarded Suns fan to see the clear distinction.
Yo lay off DoK, He's one of the "good" Suns fans.
You most certainly ARE fucking commenting on the staff. Without a shred of medical knowledge, you're saying that the claims of the OP, also not a doctor, have merit.
Are you a doctor? How can you prove the claims are unmerited?
montgod
04-10-2009, 06:10 PM
I'm not saying the medical staff cost us a championship, all I'm saying is that the medical staff was bit behind the 8 ball and that's a bit worrisome.
Maybe the Dallas Cowboys medical staff moonlights in working for the Spurs during the NFL offseason?
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:11 PM
Are you a doctor? How can you prove the claims are unmerited?Are you a doctor? How can you prove the claims are substantiated?
Cherry
04-10-2009, 06:11 PM
thanks Cherry
glad they did, where did you see that?
Here in the audio interview
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1117218&pid=6204882&toi=6476
Amuseddaysleeper
04-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Maybe the Dallas Cowboys medical staff moonlights in working for the Spurs during the NFL offseason?
:lol
Baseline
04-10-2009, 06:16 PM
We have doctors on staff?
I thought we had three guys who stayed at Holiday Inn Express.
To substantiate the claim, you need to give your expert opinion on when the surgery should have taken place. Keep in mind that the surgery could well have been considered season-ending no matter when it was performed.
Sprained ankles don't continue swelling and take four months to heal is all I implied - an obvious misdiagnosis to even the most blind by the time surgery was undertaken - and that is my expert opinion. Having had a severe ankle sprain myself, I can attest.
Anything else you got from my posts is of your own fabrication, such as me "commenting" on the Spurs staff.
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
EricB
04-10-2009, 06:22 PM
Zosa = dr house now?
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:23 PM
Sprained ankles don't continue swelling and take four months to heal is all I implied - an obvious misdiagnosis to even the most blind by the time surgery was undertaken - and that is my expert opinion. Having had a severe ankle sprain myself, I can attest.I had a flat tire once, so I am an expert on auto repair.
Anything else you got from my posts is of your own fabrication, such as me "commenting" on the Spurs staff.When did I say anything about your commenting on the Spurs staff?
montgod
04-10-2009, 06:23 PM
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
Did they used to work for Orlando?? You know them ankles can be tricky..
Are you a doctor? How can you prove the claims are substantiated?
Because they misdiagnosed Mahinmi, and now Manu was cleared to play and immediately injures himself again?
I never implied the claims were true, only that they were substantiated - should be looked further into. It's really not that hard to understand.
I had a flat tire once, so I am an expert on auto repair.
You're an expert on putting your tire back on once you've done it a couple times.
When did I say anything about your commenting on the Spurs staff?
was directed at Exstatic.
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:26 PM
You're an expert on putting your tire back on once you've done it a couple times.You put your ankle back on?
was directed at Exstatic.You were quoting me.
You put your ankle back on?
no, you compared apples to oranges.
you're saying you're an expert at auto repair because you fixed a flat tire.
I'm saying you're an expert at fixing flats - i fixed the analogy for you to make it relevant.
You were quoting me.
Sorry?
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:30 PM
no, you compared apples to oranges.And you compared doctors to patients.
And you compared doctors to patients.
why'd you ask for "your expert opinion" if you didn't want it? :wakeup
ChumpDumper
04-10-2009, 06:38 PM
why'd you ask for "your expert opinion" if you didn't want it? :wakeupIt was a leading question to show you are, in fact, not an expert.
Thanks for the follow through.
Amuseddaysleeper
04-10-2009, 06:42 PM
I've created a monster.
It was a leading question to show you are, in fact, not an expert.
Thanks for the follow through.
Are you an expert?
It was a leading question to show you are, in fact, not an expert.
Thanks for the follow through.
what's your problem with what is said in this thread ? do you have some member of your family who works in the spurs medical staff ?
if we need to be doctors ourselves to even say a word about the medical staff, i guess anyone who dare to criticize any Pop's choice needs to have coached basketball at the highest level. your agument doesn't make sense.
they probably kinda sucked on Mahinmi and the unease which could be seen then about this stuff seemed to confirm that.
WalterBenitez
04-10-2009, 06:54 PM
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/fotos/22/982222.jpg
after this ... I suspect those docs are Mav's fan :ihit
WalterBenitez
04-10-2009, 06:55 PM
The SpursTalk Medical Review Board has spoken.
I wouldn't be so hard to be a doc, just need to read some books and speak complicated :wow
exstatic
04-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Anything else you got from my posts is of your own fabrication, such as me "commenting" on the Spurs staff.
And in the VERY next post
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
I'd say that was a comment on the Spurs medical staff, and NOT a figment of my imagination or an invention
exstatic
04-10-2009, 07:00 PM
what's your problem with what is said in this thread ? do you have some member of your family who works in the spurs medical staff ?
if we need to be doctors ourselves to even say a word about the medical staff, i guess anyone who dare to criticize any Pop's choice needs to have coached basketball at the highest level. your agument doesn't make sense.
they probably kinda sucked on Mahinmi and the unease which could be seen then about this stuff seemed to confirm that.
It's an overall symptom of the decline of this board. It's not just the medical staff, who have to train for like 10 years. Everyone on this board thinks they're smarter than the Spurs coaching staff, and know more physics than Hawking. They just bitch to bitch, not because they know anything themselves.
I'd say that was a comment on the Spurs medical staff, and NOT a figment of my imagination or an invention
How is that a comment on the spurs staff, and not a mere statement of fact?
:bang
exstatic
04-10-2009, 07:05 PM
How is that a comment on the spurs staff, and not a mere statement of fact?
:bang
Because you're not a doctor in a position to render a second opinion? :bang
Because you're not a doctor in a position to render a second opinion? :bang
what the fuck are you talking about?
How can I be in a position to render a second opinion, when I have not stated my opinion on the matter oncesoever?
Explain how this is a comment on the abilities of the Spurs Medical Staff:
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
DUNCANownsKOBE2
04-10-2009, 07:18 PM
The training staff, and the medical staff are two different things, but I wouldn't necessarily expect retarded Suns fan to see the clear distinction.
I went to the trouble of finding the definition to a word you clearly don't understand. You don't have to thank me.
1joke
Pronunciation:
\ˈjōk\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yācati he asks
Date:
1670
1 a: something said or done to provoke laughter ; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1): the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2): an instance of jesting : kidding <can't take a joke> c: practical joke d: laughingstock
2: something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter <consider his skiing a joke — Harold Callender> —often used in negative constructions <it is no joke to be lost in the desert>
exstatic
04-10-2009, 07:18 PM
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
what the fuck are you talking about?
How can I be in a position to render a second opinion, when I have not stated my opinion on the matter oncesoever?
Explain how this is a comment on the abilities of the Spurs Medical Staff:
If you have that little grasp on the English language, I can't help you with this, but if you polled 100 random posters on this board, the verdict against you would be somewhere in the 90s.
If you have that little grasp on the English language, I can't help you with this, but if you polled 100 random posters on this board, the verdict against you would be somewhere in the 90s.
make your poll, and quickly find out its you who does not understand English.
DUNCANownsKOBE, I think both of our responses have gone over his head.
Mavs<Spurs
04-10-2009, 07:32 PM
1 vote for Ecstatic and Chumpdumper.
The burden of proof lies on the side of those people who claim that the Spurs Medical Staff screwed up. This means that you must prove that with the knowledge that they had in hand at the time, their medical diagnosis and treatments were unjustifiable and clearly wrong or that they should have been able to obtain better information and then make the correct diagnosis and prescribe the correct treatments.
So far, I don't think that anyone here has come close to meeting the burden of proving either one of those things.
The exploratory surgery was the only way to learn about Ian's condition. So, the only way to obtain better and more accurate information was to order the exploratory surgery sooner. So, you have to prove that the exploratory surgery was far later than it should have been and that the Spurs medical staff had sufficient information at the time to know it (ie they should have known it but didn't).
There's plenty more work where that came from. But that will keep you busy for some years to come.
:lmao
:flag:
exstatic
04-10-2009, 07:36 PM
My bad. It's not your lack of English language skills, it's your astounding fucking arrogance, z0sa. You think that if you say it, it's a fact, and not a comment, in spite of the fact that you have no medical training and are not a doctor.
DUNCANownsKOBE2
04-10-2009, 07:39 PM
DUNCANownsKOBE, I think both of our responses have gone over his head.
:lol I think so.
I guess I shouldn't be making jokes like that less than a week after Manu's injury or some of the more uptight people on this board will throw a temper tantrum.
exstatic
04-10-2009, 07:52 PM
:lol I think so.
I guess I shouldn't be making jokes like that less than a week after Manu's injury or some of the more uptight people on this board will throw a temper tantrum.
You were joking, which I missed. Unfortunately, Dr. z0sa think's it's opinion is fact, and that I did NOT miss.
Nathan Explosion
04-10-2009, 08:03 PM
If you state an opinion long enough it becomes a fact. Haven't you learned that already?
Who needs medical training anyway. It's not like those people study for years to become a doctor. All you have to do is become famous and they'll give you an honorary doctorate. Or you could just play one on TV.
Nathan Explosion
04-10-2009, 08:05 PM
The Spurs Medical Staff misdiagnosed Mahinmi. If you want to imply it wasn't their fault that's fine, but the fact remains.
BTW that looks like a comment on the Spurs Medical Staff. You see, when you write the words "Spurs Medical Staff" and then follow it up with a comment, well, you know, if it looks like a duck...
my astounding arrogance? this is ridiculous.
you do know that Mahinmi really was misdiagnosed, don't you?
maybe providing an article on the issue will refresh your memory?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Mahinmi_out_for_6-10_weeks.html
At last, the Spurs know what has been keeping second-year forward Ian Mahinmi on the injured list: A bone fragment that had been eluding detection in his right ankle.
Hmm ... so before the surgery was done, they actually did not know what the problem was. Common knowledge, or so I thought . . .
The arthroscopic procedure revealed no other cartilage defects throughout Mahinmi's ankle or distal tibia.
Only one problem: the bone fragment. Not an ankle sprain that 'rest' would heal. Isn't this what you would call a misdiagnosis?
Again, these are facts, not opinions I'm stating. Why am I so fucking arrogant, as to say there could be merit to the argument??
Here's Pop's reasonings and thoughts:
“No matter what we did it just wasn't getting better.”
“For a while we thought it was getting better. He went down to the D-League and got in a couple of practices and games and it swelled right back up again."
“We decided we'd better get this looked at.”
“It's been a wasted year for the kid.”
They couldn't find the problem and approached the problem in a couple different ways (including another D-League stint :rolleyes i feel sorry for Ian's ankle. This clearly shows that there's some reason to question the team's health decisions) but, according to Doctor ChumpDumper, it was their last option so they decided to wait out this "ankle sprain" as long as they could.
Nathan Explosion
04-10-2009, 09:16 PM
Cut through the BS, what you all are claiming is that the Spurs staff is incompetent. THis is just irresponsible. Furthermore, if every test conducted doesn't find a problem, and you claim you don't know what's wrong, that's not a misdiagnosis.
It was called a sprained ankle after test revealed nothing. More test revealed nothing. At one point, the Spurs claimed they didn't know what was wrong. Since a single test they were doing revealed nothing, you can't claim to find something if nothing was to be found. Finally as a last resort they did the surgery and low and behold there it was.
As for Gino, he has a history of lying about injuries, just like Duncan and Robinson before him. If a test says the player is okay, and the player lies and claims he's okay and pain free, what do you propose a doctor do to make sure he's not lying?
STX_21
04-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Ok, you guys are killing me on this board. The FACT that Pop expected Manu to be back in time for this season, means that IN FACT he got WRONG information from the MEDICAL STAFF. That isn't to say they're incompetent, that is to say they blew this call. Whether or not Manu's ankle could have been fixed in time for this season is a non-issue. Pop should have had the right information to plan the team around and he didn't.
Now, there was a very similar problem with Ian. The Medical Staff was unable to accurately determine the problem or give an accurate return date. If you guys can't see a reason for someone to look into what the heck the Medical Staff is up to, I'm lost. Do you really need a medical degree to see that or to suggest someone ask them some questions?
I only pray the organization has a good grip on Duncan's knee issues. BTW, it doesn't matter how good these guys are. If they're making mistakes, they ought to be held accountable (shouldn't we all?).
SpursFan0728
04-10-2009, 09:42 PM
Ok, you guys are killing me on this board. The FACT that Pop expected Manu to be back in time for this season, means that IN FACT he got WRONG information from the MEDICAL STAFF. That isn't to say they're incompetent, that is to say they blew this call. Whether or not Manu's ankle could have been fixed in time for this season is a non-issue. Pop should have had the right information to plan the team around and he didn't.
Now, there was a very similar problem with Ian. The Medical Staff was unable to accurately determine the problem or give an accurate return date. If you guys can't see a reason for someone to look into what the heck the Medical Staff is up to, I'm lost. Do you really need a medical degree to see that or to suggest someone ask them some questions?
I only pray the organization has a good grip on Duncan's knee issues. BTW, it doesn't matter how good these guys are. If they're making mistakes, they ought to be held accountable (shouldn't we all?).
Agree 100%
exstatic
04-10-2009, 10:27 PM
Ok, you guys are killing me on this board. The FACT that Pop expected Manu to be back in time for this season, means that IN FACT he got WRONG information from the MEDICAL STAFF. That isn't to say they're incompetent, that is to say they blew this call. Whether or not Manu's ankle could have been fixed in time for this season is a non-issue. Pop should have had the right information to plan the team around and he didn't.
You know Pop lies about injuries, too, don't you? He also holds players out after they've been medically cleared.
The SpursTalk Medical Review Board has spoken.
fuck you gay asshole, all you do here is make smug, sarcastic remarks. ive given you chances, benefit of the doubt, but you keep being a condescening asshole.
why not be positive with people-if you know so much better- and provide some of your 'inside knowledge' instead of being a smug piece of shit worthless poster.
kthanks.
exstatic
04-10-2009, 11:04 PM
fuck you gay asshole, all you do here is make smug, sarcastic remarks. ive given you chances, benefit of the doubt, but you keep being a condescening asshole.
why not be positive with people-if you know so much better- and provide some of your 'inside knowledge' instead of being a smug piece of shit worthless poster.
kthanks.
Why should he have to prove the Spurs Medical staff competent when he didn't start a thread saying they were? I think the "burden of proof" is on the OP or their adherants who claim they're not. None shown so far. That's probably his point. They made a claim and didn't back it.
If he bothers you so much, hit the ignore button. No sense in getting all angry about a message board.
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