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    And yet, could still be helpful on this team in particular where we need someone to pass and score, so that the secondary players fit into a role that is appropriate.
    That’s not the player he described. Tony passed and scored, but only scored 20 ppg once, and never had a 28 USG%. That’s what we need, a game manager, not a ball dominator.

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    That’s not the player he described. Tony passed and scored, but only scored 20 ppg once, and never had a 28 USG%. That’s what we need, a game manager, not a ball dominator.
    Basically, we need a lead guard to be able to keep Keldon and Devin from dominating so much. It's a problem with the offense; this that has been well discussed.

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    That’s not the player he described. Tony passed and scored, but only scored 20 ppg once, and never had a 28 USG%. That’s what we need, a game manager, not a ball dominator.
    It's really hard to imagine a ball-dominant guard on the Spurs. We haven't had that since Gervin. As you say, Parker was there to stir the defense around and start forcing decisions from them, but it was a different thing than Young would do.

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    That’s not the player he described. Tony passed and scored, but only scored 20 ppg once, and never had a 28 USG%. That’s what we need, a game manager, not a ball dominator.

    With reference to Tony Parker vs Trae Young:

    Tony Parker had two seasons with a 28+ USG%, in 2007-08 and 2008-09. Tony also had three seasons with an AST% of 40+, btw.

    Some of the difference between Tony and Trae, in USG%, is attributable to free throw shooting. Tony’s high in number of FT attempts per game was 5, a number he had in three different seasons. Trae’s career average for FTA/gm is 7.7 and he’s currently at 8.0 for this season. Trae shoots more than 50% more free throws than Tony did.

    Turnovers are another factor. During his long career, Tony only had one season of 3 turnovers per game, that was in 2005-06 when he had 3.1. Trae has been at, or over, 4 turnovers per game since his rookie season.

    So, part of Trae’s high USG% is the outcome of either free throws, or a turnover, when he has the ball.

    Beyond that, Trae led the league in total assists the last two seasons, and he is currently the leader in total assists this season as well. If you want assists, he’s your man.

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    If i had to choose between

    keldon
    tre
    vassell
    sochan

    choosing as to which to trade away first?

    Vassell -

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    Vassell stats for February:

    22.5 PPG 4.3 RB 4.9 AST 0.8 STL 0.8 BLK 1.8 TOV

    48.6 FG% 43% 3P%

    scored double digits in every game

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    He’s been playing great of late, and passing it better too. The writing is on the wall for Keldon tough, and I think he knows it.

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    Why is the Spurs fanbase constantly putting players against each other for no ing reason?

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    ^ it’s clearly downstream of the “trade for Young” debate going on elsewhere. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the Spurs only have 2-3 big contracts that would be needed to make that happen, so if that’s your preferred approach for team building it’s fair to ask the Keldon v Devin etc question. No need to the get off my lawn theatrics, lol

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    Pop made sure Keldon got an Olympic medal and life changing money…I’d say kj will be ok! He needs to go now……

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    his highs are high enough imo, but his lows are simply too low. his "off" game simply cant be 4-6 points. thats unacceptable for him, because we have seen him show the ability to get into the paint

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    I would take him over Edwards in a minute, because Edwards is an idiot, and beyond self absorbed. His refusal to come off the bench for a few weeks for the USMNT just punched his ticket off of the Olympic team.

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    what an abysmal take

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    that's a HOF bad take

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    that's a HOF bad take
    The best part is that its only one of an exhaustive list of HOF level bad takes from ex. Might not even crack his top 5.

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    Imagining Edwards paired with Wemby is scary. They would be the new Shaq and Kobe. 5 championships at the very least...

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    Imagining Edwards paired with Wemby is scary. They would be the new Shaq and Kobe. 5 championships at the very least...
    And both are extremely compe ive
    6 peat baby

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    typical exstatic idiot take. Give me Jalen Smith over LeBron

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    Imagining Edwards paired with Wemby is scary. They would be the new Shaq and Kobe. 5 championships at the very least...
    Since they’ll never be paired it’s more like Duncan vs Kobe.

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    Big year for Vassell coming up - he went from a Middleton trajectory to a Lavine trajectory and that drop-off is exclusively due to his nosediving defense. Needs to reverse that if he wants to be anything more than an empty calories volume scorer and be viewed as a core piece going forward.




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    Big year for Vassell coming up - he went from a Middleton trajectory to a Lavine trajectory and that drop-off is exclusively due to his nosediving defense. Needs to reverse that if he wants to be anything more than an empty calories volume scorer and be viewed as a core piece going forward.



    Man those trends do not look good

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    Man those trends do not look good
    Having Sochan, Branhim, and Wesley playing point guard in 100% of your games will do that to you.

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    Having Sochan, Branhim, and Wesley playing point guard in 100% of your games will do that to you.
    Wesley isn't a natural PG, but he shouldn't be lumped in with Branham and Sochan in inep ude (at the position).

    He showed a lot of improvement in his decision making, court vision and understanding of where to get guys the ball as the season progressed. The team needs a more natural PG to start and be paired with Vassell, but Wesley is showing the possibility of becoming a valuable secondary ball handler and point-of-attack defender.

    Something that neither Vassell, unfortunately his defense has been trending down, or Tre (Jones) seem capable of providing.

    Those graphs show why so many fans have been down on Devin overall, but I want to see how he looks in a 3rd option role. He's been a "disaster" (by some metrics) on defense ever since being thrusted into this quasi - first option role.
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    Second coming of Michael Finley

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    Actually Devin Vassell's D has improved dramatically this season.

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