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+ I have to give you the fact that you are a very good entertainer!
thks for that
You mean a 20 years old TP, who was almost MVP after 3 games of the finals (against Kidd at his best), who started the whole 82 reg season games and finaly choked during the last quarter of the last 2 games?!
What an argument!!
How can you compare him to George?
Anytime you bring facts, you lose more credibility (if you still have some).
You're wrong when you think we are TP homers or anything, we all know he is not perfect and has a lot of room for improvement, but hey what he already brings/brang isn't that bad for our team, is it? (3 rings remember?)
YOU are the one that make us defend TP with your constant hate...
At least, you'd would be more respected if you assumed that, instead of saying you don't hate him, he's a top 10 PG...
+ I have to give you the fact that you are a very good entertainer!
thks for that
Cue one of the resident "I/Heart/TP" Trolls I was refferring to...
If he loses a half step, he's not even a top 20 PG.
You mean a 20 years old TP, who was almost MVP after 3 games of the finals (against Kidd at his best), who started the whole 82 reg season games and finaly choked during the last quarter of the last 2 games?!
What an argument!!
How can you compare him to George?
Anytime you bring facts, you lose more credibility (if you still have some).
You're wrong when you think we are TP homers or anything, we all know he is not perfect and has a lot of room for improvement, but hey what he already brings/brang isn't that bad for our team, is it? (3 rings remember?)
YOU are the one that make us defend TP with your constant hate...
At least, you'd would be more respected if you assumed that, instead of saying you don't hate him, he's a top 10 PG...
Doesn't that depend more of fit and use, as opposed to just physical attributes?
Case and point, Derek Fisher. I hate the guy but appreciate his ethic. He doesn't have speed, he isn't a really good passer, and while he hits a "timely" J more often than not, his percentages aren't great but the truth is that Bean hasn't won a le without Fish.
Besides, we are talking about TP here, him losing half a step is still faster than Steve Nash, and Nash ain't a speedster at all, yet he finds a way to get inside. TP's jumpshot, nowadays, is much better than that flat-footed set shot he showed us early.
Let me play advocate here and ask the following: If I told you that TP's workouts are the hardest amongst all the Spurs, would that make it better?
Last year, Duncan barely touched a basketball in the summer time, opting to go swimming long distances in the pool to give his body time to heal. No one ever ed about that. Same thing with Manu. No National Team Play plus making sure that his lower legs got a longer break than usual. Even when Manu himself said that it through off his timing for a bit, no one ed about that.
Yet, we get, at first, a poorly translated interview, and that causes this commotion? UNREAL. They guy is working out. How hard is debatable but it's a contract year, and come what may, he has to show the league how good he is. To the Spurs, he has to show he's worth a premium extension. That he fits better than anyone else they already have or could want to bring in. To the rest of the teams that want him, he has to show that he's healthy and has burst.
So what's changed other than his future as a Spur is in doubt? Nothing. He's still TP. He's still a fast PG with an ever-improving J. He's still married to a Desperate Houswife. So again...why the ing?
It's only because of his physical attributes that he makes the top 10. Without his quickness, he's not even Beno Udrih.
Fisher doesn't eat up anywhere near the salary that Parker does and is about to. Fisher has much better range than Parker. Aside from Horry, I can't think of any other support players that hit big time threes like DF.
Nash's bball iq is wayyyy higher than TP's. He also give provied a lot more options in the lane with his passing ability. Nash is also a dangerous 3 point shooter so the d has to come out on him.
I don't think it's the same. Duncan and Ginobli are in their 30's. It will all be hindsight but after this season, we can look back and see just what Parker's 100 shots a day brought.
CTOA is case and point, someone who doesn't read. It's hundreds of shots a day man. RECOGNIZE. You guys gotta in' read from time to time ya know? Sometimes, when you use an online translator, GETS ED UP in the translation. Your perception of just 100 shots is an incorrect one.
Everyone is always saying that Tony lacks the vision that Manu has, or that there other PGs who average more assists per game than him. Did you ever stop and think that TP plays the way he does because that's what he's told to do? Okay mensas, give me the last PG in Spurs uniform to average at least 8 assists per?
In 1995-96, Avery Johnson averaged 9.6 APG with Bob Hill as Coach. The next year was the injury year, then AJ averaged 6.8 APG. Then came Tim's Rookie Season and AJ's average went to 7.9. BUt you see, Pop sees that doesn't have to rely on just a PG to make plays. He now has Tim Duncan who can be a playmaker from the post. So let's do a side by side comparison:
98-99 Season
AJ 7.9 APG
TD 2.4 APG
99-00
AJ 6.0 APG
TD 3.2 APG
00-01
Antonio Daniels 3.8
Terry Porter 3.1
TD 3.0
01-02
TP 4.3 APG Rookie Year
TD 3.7 APG
02-03
TP 5.3 APG
TD 3.9 APG
03-04
TP 5.5 APG
TD 3.1 APG
EG 3.8 APG The Emergence of Manu as a playmaker.
The point I'm trying to emphasize to you whiners is that, the reason he plays the way he does is because, that's what's required of him. He doesn't average high assists like CP3 or Nash because his team is more balanced and there are other playmakers who can take advantage of his skills off-the-ball. That's something Phoenix is trying to do right now with the addition of Hedo Turkoglu. In Hedo's 1 season as a Spur, he averaged 1.9 Assists and just got higher average assists when he left for Orlando to as high as 5.0 per. Phoenix announced yesterday that they are hoping to play Steve Nash off-the-ball more beacuse of Hedo's point forward skills. Why do that? Because Steve is older and they have another playmaker in Hedo. Well, Besides TP, you have TD & Manu, you also have George Hill as playmakers and even Tiago Splitter can pass. That's what being BALANCED does. It makes the sum of your parts stronger than individual pieces. In essence, TP could probably average more points and assists, but with this roster of players...it's not required. If he gets more than he does, it's because he's answering to a shortcoming elsewhere on the team. Why he gets so much grief when all he does is everything that Pop wants him to is amazing to me. Some people just don't understand should bother to dig deeper for answers. Open your eyes and dig, you might learn something.
I agree that TP does what he is asked. Thats the biggest thing I have against Pop. But then again, I think he crafts the gameplan based on his three stars...and that means surrounding TP and TD with shooters. Which the FO has failed to do....not clutch shooters anyway.
TP just doesnt really impress me personally.
He can score at will in the lane when healthy. Thats not impressive to me. So shoot me.
He'll never be a shut down defender. I like defensive minded guys. In Hindsight, Bruce Bowen might just be one of the best Spurs to ever lace em up. Thats just me.
TP will never be a facilitator for the offense, but rather the offense will always have to facilitate what he does. I like team play...I like a team that can continue to score when you shut down the number 1 and 2 option. So Im not that impressed seeing TP drive it again and again. I know its special, sure, but just not my cup of tea. Sue me.
But I have come to enjoy the Spurs over the years as a defensive minded club that will punch guys like Kobe in the mouth with hard-nosed defense. Thats the thing I love about our club. TP doesnt fit the bill for me.
And to make things worse, all his talk about leaving, going to New York etc, I dont care anymore what he winds up doing. I will be fine to see less talent on the court if the game is played with 110 percent. And if TP wants out, let him go.
To sum it up: you are biased, you admit it, and in the same time you keep on arguing like if you are not biased.
My advice: start a political career... (or a therapy).
He's right. I used an online translator to translate MIB's babble to French, then to German, then back to English. But I think it did get all the bad words correct.
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Idk what impressed you then...
a short PG scoring at will in the lane in the midle of the nba bigs making him a 50% FG PG is not impressive ?
Concerning TP, there is not a lot of thing I'm impressed with but his corones and talent to go inside is one of them.
CTOA...A mensa in the making. Spurs deciding to go more offense than defense was more a reflection of how the league was going. Outside of Boston, it seemed that the NBA wasn't letting physical play go for any team, even one with defensive pedigree like San Antonio. Maybe because the Spurs Q rating is low, or maybe because Manu's bald spot got bigger, or maybe it's because no one liked TD's skeleton shoes...who gives a .
You have a top 10 PG who has played the game that you asked him to. He's not demanded anything other than saying that JKidd isn't needed in San Antonio and some you hate him for taking a few hundred jumpshots. Then why didn't you guys about Tim's swimming or Manu's protracted rest break? Again...MENSAS, some of you are. At least in your own mind.
HEY CTOA, CAN YOU THINK OF ANOTHER SHTICK?
you're the best, please keep it up!
The 2nd line is a HOF quote! impressive...
Learn about Basketball...scoring at will doesnt help when the opponent has been scoring on you at will as well all game and your legs start dying early in the fourth quarter. See 2008.
you're the best, please keep it up!
The 2nd line is a HOF quote! impressive...
Your not a Spurs fan, Pauleta, you are a tp fan...just admit it.
[QUOTE=Parker2112;4609422]I agree that TP does what he is asked. Thats the biggest thing I have against Pop. But then again, I think he crafts the gameplan based on his three stars...and that means surrounding TP and TD with shooters. Which the FO has failed to do....not clutch shooters anyway.
TP just doesnt really impress me personally.
He can score at will in the lane when healthy. Thats not impressive to me. So shoot me.
He'll never be a shut down defender. I like defensive minded guys. In Hindsight, Bruce Bowen might just be one of the best Spurs to ever lace em up. Thats just me.
TP will never be a facilitator for the offense, but rather the offense will always have to facilitate what he does. I like team play...I like a team that can continue to score when you shut down the number 1 and 2 option. So Im not that impressed seeing TP drive it again and again. I know its special, sure, but just not my cup of tea. Sue me.
But I have come to enjoy the Spurs over the years as a defensive minded club that will punch guys like Kobe in the mouth with hard-nosed defense. Thats the thing I love about our club. TP doesnt fit the bill for me.
And to make things worse, all his talk about leaving, going to New York etc, I dont care anymore what he winds up doing. I will be fine to see less talent on the court if the game is played with 110 percent. And if TP wants out, let him go.[/QU thats funny, i been sayin that since i been here. His numbers arent pure. He doesnt setup anybody but 3pt shooters an that (along with injury) are the reason he sucked last year. Dice/RJ/Bogans arent consistent 3pt shooters like Bonner/Finley/Mason Jr. Therefore since he isnt a great jumpshooter himself the spacing isnt good for TP to penetrate. TP is a quicker Jameer Nelson with a lesser shot. Pop tells him to be aggresive (drive it to score or pass out for the 3pt shot when double teamed). However, Tp is not good at taking 2-3 possesions to hook up non shooters like RJ/Blair. TP , good player? Heck Yeah. Good Pg? Servicable.
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