mavs offer to josh extention....

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

He's not a pure shooter but if you leave him open he will burn you. You should know from experience. He uses his outside shot to give him space to attack the inside.

Howard cant make a three if his life depended on it

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Yeah when you're the 3rd option on offense compared to being to the go to guy you are going to average more points. Being on a better team makes you a BETTER PLAYER based on percentages and efficiency while being on a worse team and being the go to player helps your point totals.

And none of the above changes the fact that you referred to "inflated stats". What stats are more important for a point guard than points and assists? His minutes and FG % were nearly the same for the two seasons. Efficiency means nothing when you are talking about differing roles from one team to another. Go to guy = Defenses key on you. Not that you would understand defense, being a Mavericks fan.

You seem to really focus on point totals rather than the efficiency of that player. The only way to measure inflation is if you are the go to guy on both teams. The one on the sorry team and the one on the new team. Amare Stoudemire is the perfect example of that. The suns were a sorry team without Nash and Amare's stats were good but once he got Nash his stats got inflated with him being the go to guy on that team also.

Wrong. Frank Johnson was the coach at the beginning of the season before Nash arrived and Amare was in his second year and injured for 30 games. Stephon Marbury was traded halfway through the year. Fifteen guys played more than 21 games for the Suns, and fourteen different guys started. So basically once Amare got a year older, a training camp with his coaching staff, Steve Nash, Quentin Richardson, and a healthy roster, his stats inflated. Imagine that!

I wasn't specific enough before to show the inflation but Diaw was the third option last year on the high flying suns team and his stats got inflated.

Diaw was an underused player on a bad team. His minutes doubled and he started three times as many games for the Suns. He was also a young talent that everybody was waiting for to break out. His stats aren't inflated, he improved. But his stats did go up, so you are at least in the ballpark for a change.

[mavsfan1000]

Diaw was an underused player on a bad team. His minutes doubled and he started three times as many games for the Suns. He was also a young talent that everybody was waiting for to break out. His stats aren't inflated, he improved. But his stats did go up, so you are at least in the ballpark for a change.

Diaw was underused because he sucked. He had no shooting ability when he was with the Hawks. His stats got inflated because he wasn't thought of that much in Atlanta because of his poor shooting and the Suns offense is much quicker than the Hawks. Also he changed positions and centers in general tend to have high rebounding numbers no matter if they are playing at their positions or out of position. As you can see many things have helped Diaw out when he went to Phoenix. Diaw I think will not have his stats inflated as much if Amare is playing center a lot.

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Also he changed positions and centers in general tend to have high rebounding numbers no matter if they are playing at their positions or out of position.

Go back and read this sentence over and over until you realize that you don't know what the you are talking about. There really is no point in having an intelligent discussion with you as you appear to be completely unequipped for it.

[dirk4mvp]

Good game by Howard last night. Let's hope it keeps up in the reg. season.

[mavsfan1000]

Go back and read this sentence over and over until you realize that you don't know what the you are talking about. There really is no point in having an intelligent discussion with you as you appear to be completely unequipped for it.

Yeah ok Mr. Mavs hater. I don't know the I'm talking about? I watched many suns games last year. How do you know Diaw didn't benefit from the high pace/open area in the paint because of the court being spread out by 4 other 3 point shooters. It's hard to guard Diaw 1 on 1 and if you double Diaw someone will be wide open for a 3. Instead of the insults come up with something intelligent back.

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Yeah ok Mr. Mavs hater. I don't know the I'm talking about? I watched many suns games last year. How do you know Diaw didn't benefit from the high pace/open area in the paint because of the court being spread out by 4 other 3 point shooters. It's hard to guard Diaw 1 on 1 and if you double Diaw someone will be wide open for a 3. Instead of the insults come up with something intelligent back.

Diaw improved and was utilized by the Suns. Johnson left, was the primary focus of the defense, and still improved his scoring and his assists. At best you are shooting fifty percent from the line on your statement that the Suns team "inflates stats".

Except that Diaw changed positions, which kind of kills your argument and makes me go back to your quote from a few posts back and laugh at your moronic circular logic.

[mavsfan1000]

Suns team=faster temp=inflated stats. Is that too hard to understand? I guess I'm a mavs fan so no matter how good my argument is you will still think it is moronic. Joe Johnson was the exception since he was the go to guy which was a big switch for him. There are exceptions to every rule like for example the mavs being clutch against the spurs.

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Suns team=faster temp=inflated stats. Is that too hard to understand? I guess I'm a mavs fan so no matter how good my argument is you will still think it is moronic. Joe Johnson was the exception since he was the go to guy which was a big switch for him. There are exceptions to every rule like for example the mavs being clutch against the spurs.

Dude, you cited Joe Johnson as your example, but now you are saying he's the exception while trying to stick to your original premise. Therefore that argument IS moronic. I'm sorry you won't let it go, even after you have apparently abandoned the statement I challenged in the first place. The Suns do have inflated stats due to the higher number of possessions by both teams. That's well established. You just gave two poor examples of it. Josh Howard is better than Boris Diaw. Happy now?

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah I'm happy now. lol. It was a bad example and I should've done a better example. Still the higher tempo helped Joe Johnson's outside shooting and that was what I was saying but if you go by point totals than it was a bad example.

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Yeah I'm happy now. lol. It was a bad example and I should've done a better example. Still the higher tempo helped Joe Johnson's outside shooting and that was what I was saying but if you go by point totals than it was a bad example.

Having three all stars helped Johnson's shooting, too, just like having anybody that could shoot threes and being down inside would have helped Diaw in Atlanta. All things being equal, Joe's stats probably WOULD have gone down, but he was ready to break out. It's one of those trades where both teams made out because the players needed a new team.

If you had only put "Quentin Richardson" in that original statement...

[LEONARD]

Howard isn't going anywhere...

http://sturminator.blogspot.com/
(Bob is an on-air guy with The Ticket in Dallas)

"Howard Update
Not that I claim to be a guy who breaks stories, but in talking with someone with intimate knowledge of the Josh Howard v. Mavericks situation, I am now much more confident that something will get done before Halloween. It appears that the Mavericks realize how important it is to Josh (given all of his public comments) and they surely realize how important he is to them. Therefore, with only so much wiggle room to discuss anyway, I fully expect this extension in a 5 year/$40 million range will be going down before opening night. I feel much better now."

[LEONARD]

JHo just signed a 4 yr extension...no $$$ yet...

[Kori Ellis]

Over $40M.

[ducks]

Updated: Oct. 19, 2006, 4:12 PM ET
Sources: Mavs, Howard agree on four-year extensionBy Marc Stein
ESPN.com


The Dallas Mavericks and Josh Howard on Thursday reached agreement on a four-year contract extension believed to be worth in excess of $40 million, team sources told ESPN.com.


Howard

The Mavericks and Howard were facing an Oct. 31 deadline to agree on an extension and prevent Howard from becoming a restricted free agent in July.

The new contract won't kick in until next season, with Howard scheduled to earn $1.7 million in the final year of his rookie contract.

Howard, who was eligible for a five-year extension, admitted in recent days he was "disappointed" with the slow pace of negotiations but also told ESPN.com earlier this month that he hadn't abandoned hope of securing a new deal before the Halloween buzzer.

"You never know," Howard said with a smile on Oct. 7.

It's believed the Mavericks, sensing the issue might linger with Howard all season, increased their offer in recent days to make it clear to the swingman how much they value him.

Howard has been Dallas' best player in training camp, showing little outward sign of being distracted by his contractual situation, but the absence of an extension before the regular season could easily have been perceived as another slight for a player who slipped to No. 29 in the 2003 draft.

Reaching terms with Howard means Mavericks owner Mark Cuban will have awarded new contracts to four of the biggest names in the organization since the Mavericks made their first trip to the NBA Finals in June: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry, coach Avery Johnson and Howard.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2632299

[JamStone]

Thank god! Now all the speculative madness about Josh Howard going to the Spurs can stop.

[Xylus]

Unfortunately for Suns fans, this only drives up the value of Boris Diaw. $9 million a year is looking less and less realistic now that Howard and Kaman are getting good money.

[dirk4mvp]

J-Ho 4 more years

[PhxDog]

Unfortunately for Suns fans, this only drives up the value of Boris Diaw. $9 million a year is looking less and less realistic now that Howard and Kaman are getting good money.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns.../1019suns.html

Suns forward Boris Diaw has agreed to a five-year contract extension worth approximately $45 million, a source close to the team confirmed.

You were saying?

[ATX Spur]

Thank god! Now all the speculative madness about Josh Howard going to the Spurs can stop.

Thank holy god.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Suns team=faster temp=inflated stats. Is that too hard to understand? I guess I'm a mavs fan so no matter how good my argument is you will still think it is moronic. Joe Johnson was the exception since he was the go to guy which was a big switch for him. There are exceptions to every rule like for example the mavs being clutch against the spurs.

JJ is not an exception, so does that make steph jackson an exception also, since he use to play with the hawks and was the goto guy....scrub teams that are one man team can always inflate stats if your willin to be a ball hog.

[mavsfan1000]

Scrub teams=higher point total and lower percentages. There are some exceptions but this is usually the case. Also faster pace teams inflate stats as well.

[dirk4mvp]

Mavericks forward Josh Howard agreed to a four-year, $40 million contract extension Thursday through the 2010-11 season.

Howard will play for $1.6 million this season, the last on his existing contract. Howard said he did not want to test the free-agent market after the season.

"I'm glad it's done," Howard said before Dallas' preseason game Thursday night against Milwaukee. "I knew I wanted to stay here as long as I could. Now I want to continue to play hard and get better."

Last season, his third in the NBA, Howard averaged a career-high 15.6 points and 6.3 rebounds to help the Mavericks to the most successful season in their history before losing to the Miami Heat in six games in the NBA Finals.

Talks between Howard's representatives and owner Mark Cuban had bogged down over the summer, but Cuban said it was important to get a new deal finalized with a key player like Howard before the regular season got underway.

"Josh has worked hard and he's an important part of the team," Cuban said. "We're glad to get it done."

Howard was no sure thing when he was drafted by the Mavericks with the 29th overall selection in 2003, but the Wake Forest product has developed into one of the league's best young players.

"It's a blessing for me and my family," Howard said. "I love the city, love the fans, and enjoy playing here. I'm going to be the same guy no matter how much money I make."