Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[scott]

I don't even know who that player is I know Hilliard played here for a short while cause nobody wanted him

I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)

	Pick #4	Pick #8
2023	Amen	Jarace
2022	Keegan	Daniels
2021	Barnes - HIT	Franz - HIT
2020	PWill - MEH	Toppin - MEH
2019	Hunter - MEH	Hayes - LOL
2018	JJJ - HIT	Sexton - HIT
2017	Josh Jackson - LOL	Ntilikina - LOL
2016	Bender - LOL	Chriss - LOL
2015	Kristaps - HIT	Stanley Johnson - LOL
2014	Gordon - HIT	Stauskas - LOL
2013	Cody Zeller - MEH	KCP - MEH
2012	Dion Waiters - MEH	Terrence Ross - MEH
2011	Tristan Thompson - MEH?	Brandon Knight - HIT?
2010	Wesley Johnson - LOL	Aminu - LOL?
2009	Tyreke Evans - HIT	Jordan Hill - MEH?
Hit Rate	38%	23%
Meh Rate	38%	31%
LOL Rate	24%	46%

[Atl Spur]

Poodle for a #8 lotto selection= Fantastic no matter the draft.

[K...]

WE are not a storied franchise you little s. we were. tabula rasa like the burn it down crew demanded. Draft savvy is easy when you plan off guys like duncan and gionbili who both came into the league at later stages than victor or most rookies these days. Victor year 4 will make role players and draft picks look better, he's not there yet. or you hope.

[Atl Spur]

I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)

	Pick #4	Pick #8
2023	Amen	Jarace
2022	Keegan	Daniels
2021	Barnes - HIT	Franz - HIT
2020	PWill - MEH	Toppin - MEH
2019	Hunter - MEH	Hayes - LOL
2018	JJJ - HIT	Sexton - HIT
2017	Josh Jackson - LOL	Ntilikina - LOL
2016	Bender - LOL	Chriss - LOL
2015	Kristaps - HIT	Stanley Johnson - LOL
2014	Gordon - HIT	Stauskas - LOL
2013	Cody Zeller - MEH	KCP - MEH
2012	Dion Waiters - MEH	Terrence Ross - MEH
2011	Tristan Thompson - MEH?	Brandon Knight - HIT?
2010	Wesley Johnson - LOL	Aminu - LOL?
2009	Tyreke Evans - HIT	Jordan Hill - MEH?
Hit Rate	38%	23%
Meh Rate	38%	31%
LOL Rate	24%	46%

Show us the top eight positions over that time period? I’d love to see how the other top 8 slots fair…

[Atl Spur]

WE are not a storied franchise you little s. we were. tabula rasa like the burn it down crew demanded. Draft savvy is easy when you plan off guys like duncan and gionbili who both came into the league at later stages than victor or most rookies these days. Victor year 4 will make role players and draft picks look better, he's not there yet. or you hope.

Sir, we ARE still a storied franchise. Anyone that disagrees may want to brush up on the definition of what a storied franchise mean

[scott]

Show us the top eight positions over that time period? I’d love to see how the other top 8 slots fair…

Custom research requests start at $300/hr. Otherwise, you can do your own research.

[baseline bum]

Most of those trades were because those players were getting huge paydays. They had to move from pretty much all of them. The only question is whether they waited too long.

Waited a year too long and let Anunoby's trade value crater.

[Atl Spur]

Custom research requests start at $300/hr. Otherwise, you can do your own research.

Not necessary. Just thought 4 & 8 is no different vs 3 through 10. Enjoy the ride bud…..

[Atl Spur]

After an extensive 15 minute research on www.statmuse.com, pick 6 has also been a volatile selection.

[scott]

After an extensive 15 minute research on www.statmuse.com, pick 6 has also been a volatile selection.

Boom, you just saved $75

[Knoxxx]

I thought the purpose of this thread was now strictly to make fun of TOR for tanking unsuccessfully HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

[MultiTroll]

Obi Toppin MEH

Why so low for Obi?

I'm haven't been a frequent Indy watcher. However in the 2 playoff games i've seen he's been solid.

[scott]

Why so low for Obi?

I'm haven't been a frequent Indy watcher. However in the 2 playoff games i've seen he's been solid.

My MEH for Obi based on his team with the team who drafted him. 7.9ppg, 3.0 rpg in three seasons. Not what you want to see from your #8 pick. Also, Knicks traded him for 2028 and 2029 second round picks.

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5. Not exactly lighting the world on fire. I'd be interested in him as a RFA, but not for more than the MLE. Firmly MEH territory (might even be a LOL if you are looking at it from NYK POV)

[Atl Spur]

I thought the purpose of this thread was now strictly to make fun of TOR for tanking unsuccessfully HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

True indeed.

[MultiTroll]

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5.

In only 20 minutes.

That's very good.

[exstatic]

lol Raptors.

[baseline bum]

I love the way this lottery ended up... but picks #4 and #8 are kind of danger zones honestly

Going back the last 15 years (note, this just cuts off Russ at #4 in 2008), using my proprietary Hit, Meh, LOL rankings (not rating 23 and 22 yet, still too early too tell)

	Pick #4	Pick #8
2023	Amen	Jarace
2022	Keegan	Daniels
2021	Barnes - HIT	Franz - HIT
2020	PWill - MEH	Toppin - MEH
2019	Hunter - MEH	Hayes - LOL
2018	JJJ - HIT	Sexton - HIT
2017	Josh Jackson - LOL	Ntilikina - LOL
2016	Bender - LOL	Chriss - LOL
2015	Kristaps - HIT	Stanley Johnson - LOL
2014	Gordon - HIT	Stauskas - LOL
2013	Cody Zeller - MEH	KCP - MEH
2012	Dion Waiters - MEH	Terrence Ross - MEH
2011	Tristan Thompson - MEH?	Brandon Knight - HIT?
2010	Wesley Johnson - LOL	Aminu - LOL?
2009	Tyreke Evans - HIT	Jordan Hill - MEH?
Hit Rate	38%	23%
Meh Rate	38%	31%
LOL Rate	24%	46%

I think Amen Thompson is a hit for sure. He was playing some great ball the last 20 games of the season and I'd take him over anyone in this draft. Also two of the LOL were Phoenix picks which skews the results.

[MultiTroll]

He's having a nice playoffs, but still only averaging 12/5. Not exactly lighting the world on fire. I'd be interested in him as a RFA, but not for more than the MLE. Firmly MEH territory (might even be a LOL if you are looking at it from NYK POV)

Obi's 18th and 12th in scoring / rebounds per minute in 2024 playoffs.
Doing 60% fgs with 54% on threes vs NYK. But ya he's not gonna keep that pace up.

Not sure why he gets limited to 20 minutes but assume Jim Carrey knows what he's doing.

[scott]

Obi's 18th and 12th in scoring / rebounds per minute in 2024 playoffs.
Doing 60% fgs with 54% on threes vs NYK. But ya he's not gonna keep that pace up.

Not sure why he gets limited to 20 minutes but assume Jim Carrey knows what he's doing.

I actually like Toppin and like I said think he could be a RFA target, but I don't think he can play starting PF. He's an anemic rebounder. His offensive game is better than Sochan's, and would love for him to come in and give Jeremy real compe ion but he his rebounding is pathetic. Not sure how he is as a defender.

[Ef-man]

If 4 & 8 are danger zones then, blow it up: Kevin Tran at 4, Fredette Jimmer at 8!!!

Do it Spurs, do it, come to terms!!!

[KobesAchilles]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

[TDMVPDPOY]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

[RC_Drunkford]

My dream is Buz and Topic. And then re-sign Chip. Bc if these two mofos learn how to shoot then we will be set as a team going forward

they would get plenty of open shots with every defender sagging off of them, I tell you that

[KobesAchilles]

they would get plenty of open shots with every defender sagging off of them, I tell you that

Very true. The only reason why I like Dilly more than Topic is bc the dude can shoot. We don’t need a Rubio at the point. But if we think we can teach him then I say go for it